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Another thing no one considers. If the simulator or maintainers of the simulation identify that the individuals being simulated are aware of or close to determi

Another thing no one considers. If the simulator or maintainers of the simulation identify that the individuals being simulated are aware of or close to determining they are in a simulation, they may alter the observations in the minds of the individuals being simulated to indicate there is no simulation.

decebalus1 8y ago
Perhaps the maintenance has been outsourced to h̷̞́̓̚o̴̲͉̳̝̖͆͛̈́̈́̔̉̕͘͠r̷̡̘̞͇͖̔̆͆̎̎͂̈͒͐̌ͅz̷̹̺͎̼̗̬̥̜͌̏ḧ̶̯͈́͌͋̑͛̈́̀̄̎̈́̆͋͊̚͝l̵̗̜͎͈̄̂ and the business impact of the simulated becoming aware isn't too bad to mandate the extra Y̸̞̰͆̌͜ͅK̷̨̛̲̣͕̙̪̮͋̃͆̊͂̾̏̇̏^̷̛͖̻͔̞̠̰̩̳̳̀͊͐͝ͅͅ}̴͈͓͚̲̳͚̳͔̮́̄̄̈́̏͂̓͌g̵͚͓̭͓͎͊͑̄͑͐͛̄̇͠ḥ̵̹͎̜́̐̊̇*̴̙̥͚̠̔̆̂͒́̅̂̐͂͒̽͜4̵̧̭̦̣̱͚̲͖̻̳̏̃v̷̪̄͛͠ţ̷̛̛͍̣̦̤̠̜̤̲̹̰̘̔͒̅͋͆̔̈͋̏̕͜͝ͅ>̴̛̛̻͖͔̘̱̠̙͍͇̻̣̪̼̍̌̍͗̒͌̊͠ͅF̶̛̰̣̝̞͔̠̦̘̜̺̎̏̅͜/̴̖̜͇̋̓̄͆̍̊̃̾̓̚͠?̵̢̢̡͈̦͚̞̝̘̫̺͕̺̰̇̑̃̿͆̃̋̍̍̇̌̕͝R̶̥͓̓̌ required to pay for the alterations.
- bcoates 8y ago
  Your zalgo convinced my chrome that half the sentences on this page needed translated from English to Vietnamese. Impressive.
- dang 8y ago
  Could you please not do that here? HN is a text-only site.
- gnulinux 8y ago
  These sort of cheap jokes really do harm the conversation. They're net negative.
anyfoo 8y ago
That’s possible. If we are simulated, it’s also possible that we emerged in this simulated universe and the maintainers of the simulation don’t understand the human mind well enough, similar to how we don’t. It’s also possible “they” don’t know we’re there in some random corner of their simulation. On the other hand it’s possible that the entity who would run this is aware and can manipulate our minds, or rewind time. The problem is that if we just assert that we live in a simulation, anything imaginable or, if you allow for the outside universe to have completely different laws of nature, anything unimaginable as well. I’m not a proponent of any simulation theories at all (they’re fun to think about, though), but I’d imagine that just like in “ordinary” science, people are interested in only testing falsifiable theories about the kind of simulation that we could understand and retain knowledge about. Assuming for example that time can be restarted to prevent an insightful experiment to happen won’t ever give any meaningful result to begin with. As a corollary it’s never possible to disprove “simulation”, as a fuzzy term, in general. Scientists can however assume a much more constrained simulation that is maybe closer to how we would do it, and construct experiments that at least allow us to refute whether the alleged simulation seems to have those simpler properties or not. In this case, it seems their simple model does not hold, and the simulation might be different. There can still also be no simulation, but we can never be certain.
- palisade 8y ago
  I've had a theory for a while that we might be in a simulation run for historical purposes. That in a distant future, we or other civilizations evolved to a point where we were capable of creating a simulation of our own universe for the purpose of discovering more about the history of our universe and ourselves as a scientific endeavor. That or this is a virtual prison complex in which we are reevaluated for release back into society in the external reality. Just a couple of interesting thought experiments I've had.
  - politician 8y ago
    You might enjoy this presentation on the Simulation Hypothesis as it touches on your idea of historical simulations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIpR_agyl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIpR_agyl4
lainga 8y ago
I have a theory for you - that the maintainers monitor for these events from a teapot somewhere between Earth and Mars...
dvtrn 8y ago
this seems eerily similar to how comic book writer Grant Morrison described the universe of super hero comics. I want to dig for a better video but Wisecrack has a good upload on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtbwP4UuFM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtbwP4UuFM of course Morrison takes us a much more...theological outcome, but yeah.
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decebalus1 8y ago

Perhaps the maintenance has been outsourced to h̷̞́̓̚o̴̲͉̳̝̖͆͛̈́̈́̔̉̕͘͠r̷̡̘̞͇͖̔̆͆̎̎͂̈͒͐̌ͅz̷̹̺͎̼̗̬̥̜͌̏ḧ̶̯͈́͌͋̑͛̈́̀̄̎̈́̆͋͊̚͝l̵̗̜͎͈̄̂ and the business impact of the simulated becoming aware isn't too bad to mandate the extra Y̸̞̰͆̌͜ͅK̷̨̛̲̣͕̙̪̮͋̃͆̊͂̾̏̇̏^̷̛͖̻͔̞̠̰̩̳̳̀͊͐͝ͅͅ}̴͈͓͚̲̳͚̳͔̮́̄̄̈́̏͂̓͌g̵͚͓̭͓͎͊͑̄͑͐͛̄̇͠ḥ̵̹͎̜́̐̊̇*̴̙̥͚̠̔̆̂͒́̅̂̐͂͒̽͜4̵̧̭̦̣̱͚̲͖̻̳̏̃v̷̪̄͛͠ţ̷̛̛͍̣̦̤̠̜̤̲̹̰̘̔͒̅͋͆̔̈͋̏̕͜͝ͅ>̴̛̛̻͖͔̘̱̠̙͍͇̻̣̪̼̍̌̍͗̒͌̊͠ͅF̶̛̰̣̝̞͔̠̦̘̜̺̎̏̅͜/̴̖̜͇̋̓̄͆̍̊̃̾̓̚͠?̵̢̢̡͈̦͚̞̝̘̫̺͕̺̰̇̑̃̿͆̃̋̍̍̇̌̕͝R̶̥͓̓̌ required to pay for the alterations.

bcoates 8y ago
Your zalgo convinced my chrome that half the sentences on this page needed translated from English to Vietnamese. Impressive.
dang 8y ago
Could you please not do that here? HN is a text-only site.
gnulinux 8y ago
These sort of cheap jokes really do harm the conversation. They're net negative.

anyfoo 8y ago

That’s possible. If we are simulated, it’s also possible that we emerged in this simulated universe and the maintainers of the simulation don’t understand the human mind well enough, similar to how we don’t. It’s also possible “they” don’t know we’re there in some random corner of their simulation. On the other hand it’s possible that the entity who would run this is aware and can manipulate our minds, or rewind time. The problem is that if we just assert that we live in a simulation, anything imaginable or, if you allow for the outside universe to have completely different laws of nature, anything unimaginable as well. I’m not a proponent of any simulation theories at all (they’re fun to think about, though), but I’d imagine that just like in “ordinary” science, people are interested in only testing falsifiable theories about the kind of simulation that we could understand and retain knowledge about. Assuming for example that time can be restarted to prevent an insightful experiment to happen won’t ever give any meaningful result to begin with. As a corollary it’s never possible to disprove “simulation”, as a fuzzy term, in general. Scientists can however assume a much more constrained simulation that is maybe closer to how we would do it, and construct experiments that at least allow us to refute whether the alleged simulation seems to have those simpler properties or not. In this case, it seems their simple model does not hold, and the simulation might be different. There can still also be no simulation, but we can never be certain.

palisade 8y ago
I've had a theory for a while that we might be in a simulation run for historical purposes. That in a distant future, we or other civilizations evolved to a point where we were capable of creating a simulation of our own universe for the purpose of discovering more about the history of our universe and ourselves as a scientific endeavor. That or this is a virtual prison complex in which we are reevaluated for release back into society in the external reality. Just a couple of interesting thought experiments I've had.
- politician 8y ago
  You might enjoy this presentation on the Simulation Hypothesis as it touches on your idea of historical simulations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIpR_agyl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIpR_agyl4

lainga 8y ago

I have a theory for you - that the maintainers monitor for these events from a teapot somewhere between Earth and Mars...

dvtrn 8y ago

this seems eerily similar to how comic book writer Grant Morrison described the universe of super hero comics. I want to dig for a better video but Wisecrack has a good upload on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtbwP4UuFM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFtbwP4UuFM of course Morrison takes us a much more...theological outcome, but yeah.

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