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Good, senior, full-stack devs make $90,000-125,000 in flyover states atm. And I do mean good ones. A lot of people are stuck at $80,000ish. $180,000 for a fron

Good, senior, full-stack devs make $90,000-125,000 in flyover states atm. And I do mean good ones. A lot of people are stuck at $80,000ish. $180,000 for a front end tech lead is unheard of in said states. Architects make maybe $160,000.

bdcravens 8y ago
Contractor could make that, which is what I thought was meant by "with a bit of effort".
desireco42 8y ago
150-160... flyover state :)
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
Baltimore isn't exactly in a flyover state. There's upward salary pressure from all the money shoveled into the DMV area.
gammateam 8y ago
hahahaha at Maryland being a flyover state now. With it hosting several of the richest counties in the entire country, and like all of the federal government and contractors that can't fit inside DC city limits.
- bdhess 8y ago
  Just because the customer is in Maryland doesn’t mean the dev has to be.
sbjs 8y ago
Hey I'd be happy to get $70,000 but I'm stuck having to take care of family so I have to stay in the middle of bufu egypt. Trying to find remote consulting gigs but they're hard to find!
- xvector 8y ago
  Most companies will offer to pay for the relocation of you and your family, along with your home, from Egypt to wherever you want to move.
  - madeuptempacct 8y ago
    I don't think "most" is a fair statement. A more accurate statement would be "Many large silicon valley companies will pay for your relocation if you are an exceptional developer for the price."
  - bitwize 8y ago
    GP probably doesn't actually live in Egypt, but was probably referencing the expression "Bumfuck, Egypt", which means out in the middle of nowhere. Nevertheless, his relo won't be paid for unless he's a God-tier, exceptionally desirable developer.
    - solipsism 8y ago
      Relocation for new hires isn't rare. What are you talking about?
zhdc1 8y ago
The PHP and Ruby developers I worked with ten years ago in DC were making that much, and the good ones were making significantly more. I haven't been involved in state-side web development since then, but I imagine that regional salaries are - significantly - higher at this point.
scarface74 8y ago
What do you consider a “flyover” state? From the major cities I know that are not on the west coast, New York City, or DC, $125K is around the top for a “Senior Developer” and $145K is near the top for architect level skills who don’t have any direct reports.
- randallsquared 8y ago
  $125K is near the top for a Senior Developer in Charlotte, SC, circa 2014 (flyover? Probably). Probably higher there now, and definitely higher in NYC or DC.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Same thing I’m seeing in Atlanta. I haven’t seen too much of a change since 2014.
- cannonedhamster 8y ago
  $125 seems about mid or upper mid range for Sr Devs based on data from Salary.com. Architects can make over 170K on the top end. Not sure how recent your data is but there's a real crunch for talent up here these days.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    It depends on the market. Atlanta for instance is showing $130K median and 144K st the 75%. No that’s not accurate. But it’s also showing 141K at the 50% percentile and $159K at the 75% for a Software Engineer V. That’s more accurate. Another data point for different cities.... https://www.matrixres.com/resources/salary-survey/ https://www.matrixres.com/resources/salary-survey/
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bdcravens 8y ago

Contractor could make that, which is what I thought was meant by "with a bit of effort".

desireco42 8y ago

150-160... flyover state :)

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

Baltimore isn't exactly in a flyover state. There's upward salary pressure from all the money shoveled into the DMV area.

gammateam 8y ago

hahahaha at Maryland being a flyover state now. With it hosting several of the richest counties in the entire country, and like all of the federal government and contractors that can't fit inside DC city limits.

bdhess 8y ago
Just because the customer is in Maryland doesn’t mean the dev has to be.

sbjs 8y ago

Hey I'd be happy to get $70,000 but I'm stuck having to take care of family so I have to stay in the middle of bufu egypt. Trying to find remote consulting gigs but they're hard to find!

xvector 8y ago
Most companies will offer to pay for the relocation of you and your family, along with your home, from Egypt to wherever you want to move.
- madeuptempacct 8y ago
  I don't think "most" is a fair statement. A more accurate statement would be "Many large silicon valley companies will pay for your relocation if you are an exceptional developer for the price."
- bitwize 8y ago
  GP probably doesn't actually live in Egypt, but was probably referencing the expression "Bumfuck, Egypt", which means out in the middle of nowhere. Nevertheless, his relo won't be paid for unless he's a God-tier, exceptionally desirable developer.
  - solipsism 8y ago
    Relocation for new hires isn't rare. What are you talking about?

zhdc1 8y ago

The PHP and Ruby developers I worked with ten years ago in DC were making that much, and the good ones were making significantly more. I haven't been involved in state-side web development since then, but I imagine that regional salaries are - significantly - higher at this point.

scarface74 8y ago

What do you consider a “flyover” state? From the major cities I know that are not on the west coast, New York City, or DC, $125K is around the top for a “Senior Developer” and $145K is near the top for architect level skills who don’t have any direct reports.

randallsquared 8y ago
$125K is near the top for a Senior Developer in Charlotte, SC, circa 2014 (flyover? Probably). Probably higher there now, and definitely higher in NYC or DC.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Same thing I’m seeing in Atlanta. I haven’t seen too much of a change since 2014.
cannonedhamster 8y ago
$125 seems about mid or upper mid range for Sr Devs based on data from Salary.com. Architects can make over 170K on the top end. Not sure how recent your data is but there's a real crunch for talent up here these days.
- scarface74 8y ago
  It depends on the market. Atlanta for instance is showing $130K median and 144K st the 75%. No that’s not accurate. But it’s also showing 141K at the 50% percentile and $159K at the 75% for a Software Engineer V. That’s more accurate. Another data point for different cities.... https://www.matrixres.com/resources/salary-survey/ https://www.matrixres.com/resources/salary-survey/
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