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Shouldn't discord be considered cheating by Valve? I haven't seen/used it, but I assume it's a voice chat outside a game, so people can continue to give out ene

Shouldn't discord be considered cheating by Valve? I haven't seen/used it, but I assume it's a voice chat outside a game, so people can continue to give out enemy coordinates even after they die. If that's the case, steam should just refuse to run or ban your account if discord presence is detected, no?

eisrep 8y ago
It's no different than using Skype or Ventrilo or even a phone/conference call. There's no real way to manage who talks to who while you're playing a game.
- tetrep 8y ago
  Hell, it's not different than being in the same room as other players. I've yet to hear of any games that ban teams sharing the same IP address.
  - cjhopman 8y ago
    Most poker games do.
zbuttram 8y ago
In my experience most games with in-game voice chat don't turn it off when you're dead anyway so it wouldn't matter.
WolfeReader 8y ago
"I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -Charles Babbage
darrenkopp 8y ago
Honestly, no. What you are talking about is known as "ghosting" and games where that's an issue there is usually some way to limit "spectator" mode or put the viewing of what's happening in the game on delay. For everything else, it's just expected / wanted to have continuous voice communication. There's nothing in discord that Valve hasn't had built-in to steam or other applications have been doing for years.
vorpalhex 8y ago
Voice apps for games have been used for a long, long, long time. Most games don't really keep a constant voice connection (it drops during menus), and it can be very hard to coordinate to all be on voice together in a multiplayer game. Plus a clan may well be too large to fit in a single "squad" or "team" in a game, and require multiple levels of coordination. Coordination isn't cheating.
NovaS1X 8y ago
If this is an issue than you solve it by not allowing members of the same team to view an opposing teams views. Not allowing external voice chat is a horrible idea.
simonsarris 8y ago
The general way this gets solved is to disallow dead players from seeing anything that alive players cannot see. This is how popular games like CounterStrike work, even with the in-game chat. An old anecdote... Back in the day, in SOCOM 2 for the PS2 (5v5 slow paced shooter), there were "alive" and "dead" chats for the players on each team. The dead players could look at alive players in the 3rd person, but pan the camera to always watch their back instead of what they were typically watching. Dead Players found that they might spot something that alive players didn't notice behind them, so one of the dead men would go into the menu and vote to kick the alive player. The alive player then saw this notification, and knew to check their back. So future games made sure dead people's POV cameras === alive players, ideally. Then dead people can talk and there's no trouble with messaging or skyping outside the game or anything.
pinebox 8y ago
On more competitive CS:GO servers the built in voice chat is intentionally disabled between living and dead players not to prevent such "ghosting" (which is just part of the game) but so that dead players can chat without disrupting living players on their third party (TeamSpeak, Mumble, Discord, etc.) voice channel.

eisrep 8y ago

It's no different than using Skype or Ventrilo or even a phone/conference call. There's no real way to manage who talks to who while you're playing a game.

tetrep 8y ago
Hell, it's not different than being in the same room as other players. I've yet to hear of any games that ban teams sharing the same IP address.
- cjhopman 8y ago
  Most poker games do.

zbuttram 8y ago

In my experience most games with in-game voice chat don't turn it off when you're dead anyway so it wouldn't matter.

WolfeReader 8y ago

"I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -Charles Babbage

darrenkopp 8y ago

Honestly, no. What you are talking about is known as "ghosting" and games where that's an issue there is usually some way to limit "spectator" mode or put the viewing of what's happening in the game on delay. For everything else, it's just expected / wanted to have continuous voice communication. There's nothing in discord that Valve hasn't had built-in to steam or other applications have been doing for years.

vorpalhex 8y ago

Voice apps for games have been used for a long, long, long time. Most games don't really keep a constant voice connection (it drops during menus), and it can be very hard to coordinate to all be on voice together in a multiplayer game. Plus a clan may well be too large to fit in a single "squad" or "team" in a game, and require multiple levels of coordination. Coordination isn't cheating.

NovaS1X 8y ago

If this is an issue than you solve it by not allowing members of the same team to view an opposing teams views. Not allowing external voice chat is a horrible idea.

simonsarris 8y ago

The general way this gets solved is to disallow dead players from seeing anything that alive players cannot see. This is how popular games like CounterStrike work, even with the in-game chat. An old anecdote... Back in the day, in SOCOM 2 for the PS2 (5v5 slow paced shooter), there were "alive" and "dead" chats for the players on each team. The dead players could look at alive players in the 3rd person, but pan the camera to always watch their back instead of what they were typically watching. Dead Players found that they might spot something that alive players didn't notice behind them, so one of the dead men would go into the menu and vote to kick the alive player. The alive player then saw this notification, and knew to check their back. So future games made sure dead people's POV cameras === alive players, ideally. Then dead people can talk and there's no trouble with messaging or skyping outside the game or anything.

pinebox 8y ago

On more competitive CS:GO servers the built in voice chat is intentionally disabled between living and dead players not to prevent such "ghosting" (which is just part of the game) but so that dead players can chat without disrupting living players on their third party (TeamSpeak, Mumble, Discord, etc.) voice channel.