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It’s more that you shouldn’t use that word in the first place — it doesn’t matter if your friends are gay or not; the fact it’s a hateful insult that tells gay

It’s more that you shouldn’t use that word in the first place — it doesn’t matter if your friends are gay or not; the fact it’s a hateful insult that tells gay men they are lesser is enough. Imagine the young little gay kid who hears “f\t” screamed 20 times an hour — how will that make him feel for the rest of his life? Are you just cementing in his head that it’s wrong to be gay? I hate to say it, but the days of absolute freedom of speech may be over. Everything these days is done through a commercial platform, and we’re now saying those platforms have editorial responsibility to monitor that speech (outside of any government mandate so it doesn’t fall afoul of 1st amendment).

madengr 8y ago
Who’s the “we’re”? I don’t agree with YouTube banning Alex Jones and numerous gun channels. I’ll probably cancel my YouTube red subscription over it. 25 years ago you would find the KKK show on NYC public access cable. A round table of guys in hoods, with an AK-47 table piece, talking about African Jews. That was there due to governments freedom of speech protections. Government is now turning a blind eye while corporate media monopolies get away with censorship. If I were the FCC, I’d be shutting down YouTube.
- pjc50 8y ago
  > 25 years ago you would find the KKK show on NYC public access cable. A round table of guys in hoods, with an AK-47 table piece, talking about African Jews. If I were the FCC, I'd be shutting down those guys.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    Guess it's a great thing you're not the FCC, then. I'd be cool with the Black Panthers being the next slot. If you're not, you don't understand, nor support, freedom of speech, or freedom of expression.
  - shard972 8y ago
    And break your oath to uphold and defend the constitution?
- cmonfeat 8y ago
  > If I were the FCC, I’d be shutting down YouTube. Why? I get why public access would have a mandate to allow people with unpopular (imo hateful) opinions on the air, but not YouTube. I was under the impression, they're a private network and under no obligation to allow you to post content they don't like. They are free to change their ToS at anytime and ban who they choose, right?
  - madengr 8y ago
    Their data is carried over the same right of ways as cable TV. It’d be like the power company refusing to sell you electricity because you manufacture legal firearms, or the phone company censoring your conversations. Probably the reason why Google split into so many companies, so they can insulate themselves when pulling shit like this. A network provider separate from a content provider, when in reality it’s the same.
shard972 8y ago
> it doesn’t matter if your friends are gay or not; the fact it’s a hateful insult that tells gay men they are lesser is enough. I didn't say that, you said that! Why would you think gay people are lessor to straight men? > Imagine the young little gay kid who hears “f\t” screamed 20 times an hour I would ask why a little boy identifies as gay in the first place, a bit young to be making such a big life decision. > how will that make him feel for the rest of his life? You tell me, I'm asking for some empirical evidence to stop doing something humans have done for centuries. > Are you just cementing in his head that it’s wrong to be gay? Why is it wrong to be gay? Also you take on free speech is just simply wrong, these tech companies can be easily classified as natural monopolies like bell telecom was. It's the same problem of the scaling increase of value with every customer but on a whole other level, this is not just a small collection of totally private companies. You would have to be living under a rock to think google is just a little private company with no strong relationships with the US government.
- exelius 8y ago
  > I would ask why a little boy identifies as gay in the first place, a bit young to be making such a big life decision. It’s not about the little boy who identifies as gay in the moment; it’s about the little boy who realizes he is gay later on, and who has already internalized the message “it is wrong to be gay and people will make fun of you for it.” And it’s not just gay people; this can apply to anyone who is considered “lesser”. The slurs are hurtful; and should be avoided out of empathy for your fellow humans rather than because the government said so. But naturally there are a bunch of unempathetic edgelords who have to defy authority. So we are where we are.
  - shard972 8y ago
    > It’s not about the little boy who identifies as gay in the moment; it’s about the little boy who realizes he is gay later on, and who has already internalized the message “it is wrong to be gay and people will make fun of you for it.” Do you think people should think it's a good thing to be gay? I don't. So i don't see why it's so important to make sure kids think it's "ok". They shouldn't, it's mostly a negative life choice. > And it’s not just gay people; this can apply to anyone who is considered “lesser”. Like pedophiles? Because i know plenty of "journos" have been lining up to make those arguments of late. > The slurs are hurtful; and should be avoided out of empathy for your fellow humans rather than because the government said so. Why should we have sympathy for child predators? We shouldn't be encouraging pedos to feel ok about themselves. In the same way I don't want to encouage gays walking around in public in g-strings, i don't want to see that culture promoted. Remember I'm saying this all as someone is apparently is of a "lessor" group according to you. > But naturally there are a bunch of unempathetic edgelords who have to defy authority. So we are where we are. When defying athourity is just trying dismantle whatever rules you can grab your hands on without thinking about the consequences then you end up with the modern left. They can't stop and think for a second about how their actions lead to catastrophic consequences like the collapse in liberal child birth. Considering that conservatives are having children at around a 4x rate of liberals, It's only going to be a matter of time before they simply are just outnumbered by those who actually have children.

madengr 8y ago

Who’s the “we’re”? I don’t agree with YouTube banning Alex Jones and numerous gun channels. I’ll probably cancel my YouTube red subscription over it. 25 years ago you would find the KKK show on NYC public access cable. A round table of guys in hoods, with an AK-47 table piece, talking about African Jews. That was there due to governments freedom of speech protections. Government is now turning a blind eye while corporate media monopolies get away with censorship. If I were the FCC, I’d be shutting down YouTube.

pjc50 8y ago
> 25 years ago you would find the KKK show on NYC public access cable. A round table of guys in hoods, with an AK-47 table piece, talking about African Jews. If I were the FCC, I'd be shutting down those guys.
- acct1771 8y ago
  Guess it's a great thing you're not the FCC, then. I'd be cool with the Black Panthers being the next slot. If you're not, you don't understand, nor support, freedom of speech, or freedom of expression.
- shard972 8y ago
  And break your oath to uphold and defend the constitution?
cmonfeat 8y ago
> If I were the FCC, I’d be shutting down YouTube. Why? I get why public access would have a mandate to allow people with unpopular (imo hateful) opinions on the air, but not YouTube. I was under the impression, they're a private network and under no obligation to allow you to post content they don't like. They are free to change their ToS at anytime and ban who they choose, right?
- madengr 8y ago
  Their data is carried over the same right of ways as cable TV. It’d be like the power company refusing to sell you electricity because you manufacture legal firearms, or the phone company censoring your conversations. Probably the reason why Google split into so many companies, so they can insulate themselves when pulling shit like this. A network provider separate from a content provider, when in reality it’s the same.

shard972 8y ago

> it doesn’t matter if your friends are gay or not; the fact it’s a hateful insult that tells gay men they are lesser is enough. I didn't say that, you said that! Why would you think gay people are lessor to straight men? > Imagine the young little gay kid who hears “f\t” screamed 20 times an hour I would ask why a little boy identifies as gay in the first place, a bit young to be making such a big life decision. > how will that make him feel for the rest of his life? You tell me, I'm asking for some empirical evidence to stop doing something humans have done for centuries. > Are you just cementing in his head that it’s wrong to be gay? Why is it wrong to be gay? Also you take on free speech is just simply wrong, these tech companies can be easily classified as natural monopolies like bell telecom was. It's the same problem of the scaling increase of value with every customer but on a whole other level, this is not just a small collection of totally private companies. You would have to be living under a rock to think google is just a little private company with no strong relationships with the US government.

exelius 8y ago
> I would ask why a little boy identifies as gay in the first place, a bit young to be making such a big life decision. It’s not about the little boy who identifies as gay in the moment; it’s about the little boy who realizes he is gay later on, and who has already internalized the message “it is wrong to be gay and people will make fun of you for it.” And it’s not just gay people; this can apply to anyone who is considered “lesser”. The slurs are hurtful; and should be avoided out of empathy for your fellow humans rather than because the government said so. But naturally there are a bunch of unempathetic edgelords who have to defy authority. So we are where we are.
- shard972 8y ago
  > It’s not about the little boy who identifies as gay in the moment; it’s about the little boy who realizes he is gay later on, and who has already internalized the message “it is wrong to be gay and people will make fun of you for it.” Do you think people should think it's a good thing to be gay? I don't. So i don't see why it's so important to make sure kids think it's "ok". They shouldn't, it's mostly a negative life choice. > And it’s not just gay people; this can apply to anyone who is considered “lesser”. Like pedophiles? Because i know plenty of "journos" have been lining up to make those arguments of late. > The slurs are hurtful; and should be avoided out of empathy for your fellow humans rather than because the government said so. Why should we have sympathy for child predators? We shouldn't be encouraging pedos to feel ok about themselves. In the same way I don't want to encouage gays walking around in public in g-strings, i don't want to see that culture promoted. Remember I'm saying this all as someone is apparently is of a "lessor" group according to you. > But naturally there are a bunch of unempathetic edgelords who have to defy authority. So we are where we are. When defying athourity is just trying dismantle whatever rules you can grab your hands on without thinking about the consequences then you end up with the modern left. They can't stop and think for a second about how their actions lead to catastrophic consequences like the collapse in liberal child birth. Considering that conservatives are having children at around a 4x rate of liberals, It's only going to be a matter of time before they simply are just outnumbered by those who actually have children.