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Im not talking about the existing projects. Either way, if it comes to a point where you have to pay for something like using a programming language. Pay whate

by kamaal 8y ago

Im not talking about the existing projects. Either way, if it comes to a point where you have to pay for something like using a programming language. Pay whatever you have to now. But start moving to something other tech over time. And yeah, don't start new projects in Java.

BjoernKW 8y ago
You don’t have to pay for using Java. You have to pay for continued support for a specific Java version. You can even continue using JDK 8 for free indefinitely. Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise. If you absolutely have to use JDK 8 another option is OpenJDK, which unlike Oracle’s JDK probably will continue receiving updates even for version 8. I also don’t see why one shouldn’t use Java for new projects. With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications.
- kamaal 8y ago
  Signaling is everything here. Once you've announced that you are going to charge for something like this, you've also in a way announced you could charge for other things as well. At that point, you are just better off using something else to insulate you from things like these. >>Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise. That's a very big problem for most shops. >>With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications. Spring Boot isn't a configuration less framework. Its basically a only one configuration works framework, change something small and nothing works. Also code comes out so unmaintainable no one apart from the original authors generally understands anything about it.
  - BjoernKW 8y ago
    Your last statement simply isn’t true. I’ve been using Spring Boot for years in a variety of configurations and it works absolutely fine.
    - not_kurt_godel 8y ago
      As long as we're going with anecdata, I'll add that in my experience Spring is a goddamn nightmare. I've spent X too many times in dependency hell with it and have vowed to never voluntarily use it again.
      - BjoernKW 8y ago
        That’s exactly the point of Spring Boot. It makes an opinionated choice of libraries that work well together so you don’t have to.

by kamaal 8y ago

BjoernKW 8y ago

You don’t have to pay for using Java. You have to pay for continued support for a specific Java version. You can even continue using JDK 8 for free indefinitely. Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise. If you absolutely have to use JDK 8 another option is OpenJDK, which unlike Oracle’s JDK probably will continue receiving updates even for version 8. I also don’t see why one shouldn’t use Java for new projects. With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications.

kamaal 8y ago
Signaling is everything here. Once you've announced that you are going to charge for something like this, you've also in a way announced you could charge for other things as well. At that point, you are just better off using something else to insulate you from things like these. >>Just don’t expect any future updates from Oracle, security or otherwise. That's a very big problem for most shops. >>With its huge ecosystem and modern toolsets such as Spring Boot Java is a highly viable option for developing new applications. Spring Boot isn't a configuration less framework. Its basically a only one configuration works framework, change something small and nothing works. Also code comes out so unmaintainable no one apart from the original authors generally understands anything about it.
- BjoernKW 8y ago
  Your last statement simply isn’t true. I’ve been using Spring Boot for years in a variety of configurations and it works absolutely fine.
  - not_kurt_godel 8y ago
    As long as we're going with anecdata, I'll add that in my experience Spring is a goddamn nightmare. I've spent X too many times in dependency hell with it and have vowed to never voluntarily use it again.
    - BjoernKW 8y ago
      That’s exactly the point of Spring Boot. It makes an opinionated choice of libraries that work well together so you don’t have to.