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Can you say more about why it's a good thing that they hired Sarah Jeong, who has a history of racist and sexist tweets?

peteretep 8y ago
It's interesting, I wasn't at all aware of her until a day or two ago. The first link I read about her was this: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-tweets-backlash-racism https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-t... Which shows her "racist" tweets, and shows how they're only really racist if you strip away all context for them. It then shows how the alt-right use this as a tactic. I found that very interesting, and I also now find it interesting to see who comments on these. Do you think Vox -- without attacking it as a source here -- is wrong that these Tweets have been read out of context? Were you aware that they were? Why do you repeat this talking point?
- Scea91 8y ago
  The context should be provided in the Vox article but it is not. Is there any article where all of the offensive tweets are available in their context?
  - mizzack 8y ago
    Gonna need a lot of context to cover the span of 5 years of those tweets. That or there is no context and she's just racist. Burden of proof is on Vox here...
- olalonde 8y ago
  I found that article quite unconvincing (I am not alt-right nor American). A lot of her tweets were clearly racist even when taken in context (e.g. “dumbass f*ing white people").
- anthonybsd 8y ago
  >Which shows her "racist" tweets, and shows how they're only really racist if you strip away all context for them. Can you think of a context in which it's OK for a white/asian person to use the "N-word"?
  - peteretep 8y ago
    ... many? Any meta discussion of the term; when providing a verbatim transcript of what someone said; when enumerating racial terms; historical context; etc etc. What's your point, exactly?
    - anthonybsd 8y ago
      So, when Sarah Jeong was using racial slurs for white people, was it in "verbatim transcript" or was she "enumerating racial terms"?
      - peteretep 8y ago
        > was using racial slurs for white people I've put some effort into trying to find these, and come up short. I was kinda hoping she'd said "honky" or something. Here's what I was able to find: https://twitter.com/GarbageHuman_/status/1024894655253495808/photo/1 https://twitter.com/GarbageHuman_/status/1024894655253495808... I am phenomenally interested to learn what the racial slurs for white people! Let's have them! PS: I'm a white male. I've lived about half my life in two Black-majority countries and one Asian-majority country. I literally don't think I've ever had a racial slur used against me.
- moduspol 8y ago
  Do you think we'd even get to the point where it's being discussed if the tweets were about black people? Why does the supposed context claimed by the person making the statements only matter when someone goes too far on the left, but not on the right? Surely there are other potential editors to hire. Are they truly so low on candidates that this is the best person they could find for the job? What does it say about their competence as an organization?
dwardu 8y ago
Yes please explain why its a good thing to subscribe again to a news site that defends someone who wants to #CancelWhitePeople? Are you suddenly pro free speech because the hate is directed at white people?
nhebb 8y ago
It's sad to see (judging by up / down votes) that this community supports the endorsement of a racist (Jeong) and down votes who questions that. She said some seriously awful things, and the NYT's decision to hire her should be called into question.

peteretep 8y ago

It's interesting, I wasn't at all aware of her until a day or two ago. The first link I read about her was this: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-tweets-backlash-racism https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-t... Which shows her "racist" tweets, and shows how they're only really racist if you strip away all context for them. It then shows how the alt-right use this as a tactic. I found that very interesting, and I also now find it interesting to see who comments on these. Do you think Vox -- without attacking it as a source here -- is wrong that these Tweets have been read out of context? Were you aware that they were? Why do you repeat this talking point?

Scea91 8y ago
The context should be provided in the Vox article but it is not. Is there any article where all of the offensive tweets are available in their context?
- mizzack 8y ago
  Gonna need a lot of context to cover the span of 5 years of those tweets. That or there is no context and she's just racist. Burden of proof is on Vox here...
olalonde 8y ago
I found that article quite unconvincing (I am not alt-right nor American). A lot of her tweets were clearly racist even when taken in context (e.g. “dumbass f*ing white people").
anthonybsd 8y ago
>Which shows her "racist" tweets, and shows how they're only really racist if you strip away all context for them. Can you think of a context in which it's OK for a white/asian person to use the "N-word"?
- peteretep 8y ago
  ... many? Any meta discussion of the term; when providing a verbatim transcript of what someone said; when enumerating racial terms; historical context; etc etc. What's your point, exactly?
  - anthonybsd 8y ago
    So, when Sarah Jeong was using racial slurs for white people, was it in "verbatim transcript" or was she "enumerating racial terms"?
    - peteretep 8y ago
      > was using racial slurs for white people I've put some effort into trying to find these, and come up short. I was kinda hoping she'd said "honky" or something. Here's what I was able to find: https://twitter.com/GarbageHuman_/status/1024894655253495808/photo/1 https://twitter.com/GarbageHuman_/status/1024894655253495808... I am phenomenally interested to learn what the racial slurs for white people! Let's have them! PS: I'm a white male. I've lived about half my life in two Black-majority countries and one Asian-majority country. I literally don't think I've ever had a racial slur used against me.
moduspol 8y ago
Do you think we'd even get to the point where it's being discussed if the tweets were about black people? Why does the supposed context claimed by the person making the statements only matter when someone goes too far on the left, but not on the right? Surely there are other potential editors to hire. Are they truly so low on candidates that this is the best person they could find for the job? What does it say about their competence as an organization?

dwardu 8y ago

Yes please explain why its a good thing to subscribe again to a news site that defends someone who wants to #CancelWhitePeople? Are you suddenly pro free speech because the hate is directed at white people?

nhebb 8y ago

It's sad to see (judging by up / down votes) that this community supports the endorsement of a racist (Jeong) and down votes who questions that. She said some seriously awful things, and the NYT's decision to hire her should be called into question.