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It's disappointing to see the top comment here condoning ad hominem attacks. But if you do believe that the identity of a speaker is more important than the ar
by agwa 8y ago
It's disappointing to see the top comment here condoning ad hominem attacks.
But if you do believe that the identity of a speaker is more important than the arguments they make, note that the author of this blog post has a history of praising systemd (e.g. https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdRight https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdRight) There is no anti-systemd bias motivating this post.
- andrewstuart 8y ago>>condoning ad hominem attacks I'm not condoning ad-hominem attacks. In fact I am pointing out that often it is systemd itself that it the victim of ad-hominem attacks, which is to say that often people attack systemd, not its behaviors.
- hedora 8y agoBut you wrote: > I think "who is saying this, doing they have an underlying bias against this thing they are attacking"?
- kemitche 8y agoThere is nothing wrong with examining the motive behind someone's argument. That's very different than an ad hominem attack.
- agwa 8y agoThat is literally an ad hominem attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
- Chris2048 8y agolater parts of the page claim the ad-homs are legitimate. Most people would consider a claim of "ad-home" as implying illegitimacy though.
- taeric 8y agoIn this case it is literally the definition of the fallacy. The argument was not addressed at all. Not a single word of the post went to even acknowledge the content of the article. Whenever I see a post that does nothing but dismiss an argument based on who made it, I do question the poster. There is a chance it is warranted, but in those cases evidence is at least presented. This post didn't even offer that.
- andrewstuart 8y agoAs kemitche says, you have incorrectly said that I attacked the blog post author. There are so many systemd haters out there that I immediately wonder about the motives when I read a new attack on systemd. Pointing this out is not attacking the author.
- irishsultan 8y ago"I'm just asking the question" is hardly a valid defense against ad-hominem. If you're wondering about it and don't take the effort to research then that's your problem, not something you should share with the world. If on the other hand you have done the research, but can't be bothered to share the results the question is again why share the question with the world without sharing the answer?
- pjc50 8y agoSystemd is not a hominem - it's a piece of software. It doesn't have feelings. It's understandable that people don't like critique, especially delivered harshly as it so often is on The internet. But that only applies to those who worked on systemd. What I don't understand is why it seems to have fanboys.
- discordianfish 8y agoBecause every opinion can be used to build groups and people like to belong to groups, so you have a systemd fan and hate group.