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Yeah, it absolutely is. But discrimination can be difficult to see unless you're one of the people being discriminated against. I think we should let this thr

by panic 8y ago

Yeah, it absolutely is. But discrimination can be difficult to see unless you're one of the people being discriminated against. I think we should let this thread be a place for LGBT people to share their experiences rather than filling it with discussion about whether these experiences are valid or not.

wongarsu 8y ago
>rather than filling it with discussion about whether these experiences are valid or not I don't follow. Nobody in this entire post is questioning whether any experience is valid. The only real question is if an "LGBT friendly" company is nondiscrimatory (for which "Nobody cares" is the gold standard, as long as it's true), or if it has to do more than that (whatever that is)
pmiller2 8y ago
I'm not questioning that some people and places are not at the point where things like that matter. I'm just saying "friendly" isn't really the right term to capture that. We don't say that companies are "minority friendly," do we?
- valbaca 8y ago
  There's a difference between non-discriminatory and friendly. Non-descriminatory is the bare minimum to meet the requirements. It's being not explicitly homophobic, biphobic, or transphobic. It means you won't prevent my career growth because I'm LGBT. LGBT Friendly means I feel just as comfortable talking about my same-sex partners as you would about your girlfriend. One is "putting up" with it because you legally have to; the other is going the extra mile (or even inch) to help everyone feel welcome in a world that is not always so welcome.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    What you are describing as friendly is to me non-discriminatory. That means making no difference between people.
  - DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago
    In you example, minimum is normal and enough. Equal opportunity is just that. I'm sorry if you have been discriminated against, but you can't ask more more friendly without discriminating someone there group.

by panic 8y ago

wongarsu 8y ago

>rather than filling it with discussion about whether these experiences are valid or not I don't follow. Nobody in this entire post is questioning whether any experience is valid. The only real question is if an "LGBT friendly" company is nondiscrimatory (for which "Nobody cares" is the gold standard, as long as it's true), or if it has to do more than that (whatever that is)

pmiller2 8y ago

I'm not questioning that some people and places are not at the point where things like that matter. I'm just saying "friendly" isn't really the right term to capture that. We don't say that companies are "minority friendly," do we?

valbaca 8y ago
There's a difference between non-discriminatory and friendly. Non-descriminatory is the bare minimum to meet the requirements. It's being not explicitly homophobic, biphobic, or transphobic. It means you won't prevent my career growth because I'm LGBT. LGBT Friendly means I feel just as comfortable talking about my same-sex partners as you would about your girlfriend. One is "putting up" with it because you legally have to; the other is going the extra mile (or even inch) to help everyone feel welcome in a world that is not always so welcome.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  What you are describing as friendly is to me non-discriminatory. That means making no difference between people.
- DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago
  In you example, minimum is normal and enough. Equal opportunity is just that. I'm sorry if you have been discriminated against, but you can't ask more more friendly without discriminating someone there group.