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> only 3 have access to my contact list and those are Protonmail, Signal and WhatsApp Yeah, one of them shares your contacts with Facebook. Might as well given

by 05 8y ago

> only 3 have access to my contact list and those are Protonmail, Signal and WhatsApp Yeah, one of them shares your contacts with Facebook. Might as well given all 15 this permission..

Skunkleton 8y ago
I avoid sharing data with FB, but personally I would rather share my contacts with FB than with some random app developers.
- JKCalhoun 8y ago
  I'm the opposite.
- ionised 8y ago
  Don't worry, FB will share it with random app developers on your behalf.
dogma1138 8y ago
That’s not the point the point is that I would not go and mark individual contacts to share or not to share. W/A can function just as well without access to contacts I just don’t see the benefit of doing that considering that W/A has my details and likely my social network from the other end anyhow.
- tlynchpin 8y ago
  Last I checked, you cannot originate a message on whatsapp on android without giving whatsapp permission to your contacts. Another user can originate a message to you and you can then reply while maintaining no permission for contacts. In my experience, whatsapp does not "function just as well without access to contacts."
  - dingaling 8y ago
    That is correct. The recent versions of WhatsApp rely entirely on the system contacts. My wife has to e-mail or text someone to ask them to initiate a conversation on WhatsApp because she denies Contacts permission. It used to be possible to add and initiate a contact within the app but that has been deprecated. Which leads to a terrible UX; why would I want to add a one-off contact like an airline or gig-organiser to my contacts just to ping them on WhatsApp? It just clutters my list, but of course Facebook loves it.
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      But that is an app problem that you can’t really solve from the OS point of view. And more importantly if you are using W/A Facebook will know all your details from the other end. If only takes a few people in your social network to share dats with Facebook or Google for them to be able to construct your entire social network quite accurately. You can do this experiment yourself, take one of each: a colleague, a family member and a friend combined is all it takes to expose high double digit % of your entire social network and for most people 2-3 of each type would likely expose all of it. And that isn’t something Apple can protect you from the only option is to not use any such services and not to be in contact with anyone who does and that isn’t something most people would are willing to do.

by 05 8y ago

> only 3 have access to my contact list and those are Protonmail, Signal and WhatsApp Yeah, one of them shares your contacts with Facebook. Might as well given all 15 this permission..

Skunkleton 8y ago

I avoid sharing data with FB, but personally I would rather share my contacts with FB than with some random app developers.

JKCalhoun 8y ago
I'm the opposite.
ionised 8y ago
Don't worry, FB will share it with random app developers on your behalf.

dogma1138 8y ago

That’s not the point the point is that I would not go and mark individual contacts to share or not to share. W/A can function just as well without access to contacts I just don’t see the benefit of doing that considering that W/A has my details and likely my social network from the other end anyhow.

tlynchpin 8y ago
Last I checked, you cannot originate a message on whatsapp on android without giving whatsapp permission to your contacts. Another user can originate a message to you and you can then reply while maintaining no permission for contacts. In my experience, whatsapp does not "function just as well without access to contacts."
- dingaling 8y ago
  That is correct. The recent versions of WhatsApp rely entirely on the system contacts. My wife has to e-mail or text someone to ask them to initiate a conversation on WhatsApp because she denies Contacts permission. It used to be possible to add and initiate a contact within the app but that has been deprecated. Which leads to a terrible UX; why would I want to add a one-off contact like an airline or gig-organiser to my contacts just to ping them on WhatsApp? It just clutters my list, but of course Facebook loves it.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    But that is an app problem that you can’t really solve from the OS point of view. And more importantly if you are using W/A Facebook will know all your details from the other end. If only takes a few people in your social network to share dats with Facebook or Google for them to be able to construct your entire social network quite accurately. You can do this experiment yourself, take one of each: a colleague, a family member and a friend combined is all it takes to expose high double digit % of your entire social network and for most people 2-3 of each type would likely expose all of it. And that isn’t something Apple can protect you from the only option is to not use any such services and not to be in contact with anyone who does and that isn’t something most people would are willing to do.