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"I do commend Mozilla for being transparent..." I too commend Google for the same reasons set forth in plain-speak in the 1st two paragraphs of their EULAs. I

by tunap 8y ago

"I do commend Mozilla for being transparent..." I too commend Google for the same reasons set forth in plain-speak in the 1st two paragraphs of their EULAs. I also choose to forgo their services for those same reasons. Mozilla has forgotten their purpose & been over-taken by the data miners. Full stop.

zaarn 8y ago
They have been overtaken by data miners because there is an addon that you have to install another addon first and both make it very clear that you might send data to third parties and the first addon makes it clear that you definitely send data to third parties while also offering you options to control this sending of data and delete it on request? Tbh, it sounds more like they are experimenting if having website recommendations in the browser is something worthwhile pursuing, if it is, they'll likely buy laserlike and integrate it clientside without violating privacy in any way, similar to how they have done it several times by now.
- tunap 8y ago
  Experimenting sgnals intent. Pocket, WebRTC, GA in about:pages are NOT add-ons & not easily disabled. Actions that contradict their own professed policies are indefensible. Above are just the most recent reasons why their market share has tanked & current Mozilla management is no longer trustworthy. IMO.
  - zaarn 8y ago
    GA in about:pages was to my knowledge not intentional and covered under a special contract with google as they used that for their normal mozilla pages. WebRTC is a standard and you can easily disable it. Pocket belongs to Mozilla and they opensourced large parts of it and will open source further parts. Experimenting in this case signals the intent that they may want to explore the direction of "recommend websites to user" and they have, in the mailing lists, stated that if this will continue, they will develop the most privacy preserving option they can. If you look at the stats their marketshare is increasing over the last few months (25->27% under non-chrome browsers) IMO.

by tunap 8y ago

zaarn 8y ago

They have been overtaken by data miners because there is an addon that you have to install another addon first and both make it very clear that you might send data to third parties and the first addon makes it clear that you definitely send data to third parties while also offering you options to control this sending of data and delete it on request? Tbh, it sounds more like they are experimenting if having website recommendations in the browser is something worthwhile pursuing, if it is, they'll likely buy laserlike and integrate it clientside without violating privacy in any way, similar to how they have done it several times by now.

tunap 8y ago
Experimenting sgnals intent. Pocket, WebRTC, GA in about:pages are NOT add-ons & not easily disabled. Actions that contradict their own professed policies are indefensible. Above are just the most recent reasons why their market share has tanked & current Mozilla management is no longer trustworthy. IMO.
- zaarn 8y ago
  GA in about:pages was to my knowledge not intentional and covered under a special contract with google as they used that for their normal mozilla pages. WebRTC is a standard and you can easily disable it. Pocket belongs to Mozilla and they opensourced large parts of it and will open source further parts. Experimenting in this case signals the intent that they may want to explore the direction of "recommend websites to user" and they have, in the mailing lists, stated that if this will continue, they will develop the most privacy preserving option they can. If you look at the stats their marketshare is increasing over the last few months (25->27% under non-chrome browsers) IMO.