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No, I want specific laws or policies from government. I'm not denying that there is racism in the US, but the government does not encourage or implement racism

by d0lph 8y ago

No, I want specific laws or policies from government. I'm not denying that there is racism in the US, but the government does not encourage or implement racism to my knowledge. Most of what you describe is illegal in the US. > No its not. They are not comparable and shouldn't be. Why can you not compare two countries' human rights? > But in practise, they are not and the situation is much more nuanced. It is more nuanced as you suggest, the difference is that the government of China is busy locking up muslims, and the US is busy passing anti discrimination laws.

pm90 8y ago
> No, I want specific laws or policies from government. I'm not denying that there is racism in the US, but the government does not encourage or implement racism to my knowledge. Most of what you describe is illegal in the US. It doesn't matter and I frankly don't care what you want. Slavery was technically illegal after the Civil War and yet you still had Jim Crow; similarly racism is technically illegal but there continues to be systemic racism in the US, whether or not promoted by Government policy. To the millions of African-Americans incarcerated for possession of Marijuana, it doesn't matter whether there are protections for minorities, because the laws are not enforced. The War on Drugs was a euphemism for a war on minority communities. > It is more nuanced as you suggest, the difference is that the government of China is busy locking up muslims, and the US is busy passing anti discrimination laws. No, its not that simple either. The US is busy locking up immigrants... what do you say to that? Or about locking up minorities for minor infractions, while whites go scot-free? What about that? Its not simple, which is why it must not be compared. You are allowed to criticize China for its human rights record, but they are equally free to criticize you for yours. What is not OK is to spread the lie that the US is some sort of utopia of human rights when its clearly not, and has not been ever since its inception.
- d0lph 8y ago
  You are free to criticize the US, as is China. But this is a thread about China, it seems you're not making an argument that the US is equally as bad as China. I suppose you could say there are more minorities in jail, but minorities tend to be more on the poverty line which is an easy explanation, I would be interested in a study on the treatment of only those in poverty. Illegal immigrants should be deported, legal immigrants should not be. The US is not a utopia, but my point was china is looking more and more like Big Brother in 1984.

by d0lph 8y ago

pm90 8y ago

> No, I want specific laws or policies from government. I'm not denying that there is racism in the US, but the government does not encourage or implement racism to my knowledge. Most of what you describe is illegal in the US. It doesn't matter and I frankly don't care what you want. Slavery was technically illegal after the Civil War and yet you still had Jim Crow; similarly racism is technically illegal but there continues to be systemic racism in the US, whether or not promoted by Government policy. To the millions of African-Americans incarcerated for possession of Marijuana, it doesn't matter whether there are protections for minorities, because the laws are not enforced. The War on Drugs was a euphemism for a war on minority communities. > It is more nuanced as you suggest, the difference is that the government of China is busy locking up muslims, and the US is busy passing anti discrimination laws. No, its not that simple either. The US is busy locking up immigrants... what do you say to that? Or about locking up minorities for minor infractions, while whites go scot-free? What about that? Its not simple, which is why it must not be compared. You are allowed to criticize China for its human rights record, but they are equally free to criticize you for yours. What is not OK is to spread the lie that the US is some sort of utopia of human rights when its clearly not, and has not been ever since its inception.

d0lph 8y ago
You are free to criticize the US, as is China. But this is a thread about China, it seems you're not making an argument that the US is equally as bad as China. I suppose you could say there are more minorities in jail, but minorities tend to be more on the poverty line which is an easy explanation, I would be interested in a study on the treatment of only those in poverty. Illegal immigrants should be deported, legal immigrants should not be. The US is not a utopia, but my point was china is looking more and more like Big Brother in 1984.