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> Serious question, what is the issue with inequality when low income people are overweight and have iphones? People is overweight because they can not afford

by kartan 8y ago

> Serious question, what is the issue with inequality when low income people are overweight and have iphones? People is overweight because they can not afford healthy food. Fruits and other healthier food is more expensive than junk food. Poor people does not have iPhones. They have cheap Android devices that they need to work, keep in contact with family, etc. > Standard of living is undisputed the best in human history In the USA you can see a difference of life expectancy based on their economically status. So, people is dying earlier and this can be avoided. > I'm trying to understand the issue with inequality when everyone is living a fantastic by organic life standards. So this is the end of all progress? We are good now, lets stop improving health care, education, etc.? Let people die at 70 even when they could have a more healthy live to be 80? Let a cancer patient die because "on average" society is better and his suffering is just statistics? Your argument is based in the misconception that things can not improve anymore. That people does not deserve better that what they have now. You will probably get support in the Amish community, for example. But most of the world moved past that point.

mkirklions 8y ago
>People is overweight because they can not afford healthy food. Fruits and other healthier food is more expensive than junk food. This is wrong. I study food as my expertise, and junk food is always less than 200 calories per dollar. Fresh fruit is similar while home cooked food is a significantly better value. I wont address the other points until you revise this one. Its factually incorrect. Google Calories Per Dollar or Nutrient Per Dollar, or Mcdonalds Calories Per Dollar. The data exists and you need to get up to speed.
- orthecreedence 8y ago
  What about prep time? Calories-per-dollar / prep time. That might be a factor, especially with the long hours many poor people face.
  - mkirklions 8y ago
    Funny you mention this, the actual unit would be Calories squared/(dollar*second). The article was studied literally yesterday and the conclusion for under 3 minute (prep) meals was that Ramen was number 1. However, I'm considering putting this recipe on the list since its a slow cooker http://www.kidsinkitchens.org/ http://www.kidsinkitchens.org/
- kartan 8y ago
  I have seen in this thread people comparing prepared food to raw food. And, of course, raw food is cheaper. You need to compare apples to apples. Prepared healthy food is way more expensive than junk food. Healthy diet costs three times that of junk food https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11149644/Healthy-diet-costs-three-times-that-of-junk-food.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11149644/Healthy-diet-costs... I hope that his answers your question and we can talk about the rest of the points. :)
  - mkirklions 8y ago
    Ouch Telegraph? Remember that the telegraph posted this advertisement https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10210327/McDouble-is-cheapest-and-most-nutritious-food-in-human-history.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10210327/McDouble-i... Google Efficiency Is Everything. Thats actually data and not some tabloid click bait.
white-flame 8y ago
> People is overweight because they can not afford healthy food. Fruits and other healthier food is more expensive than junk food. While I agree with the sentiment of your post, the meme quoted above needs to stop. Two bags of Doritos cost as much as a package of raw chicken that can feed a family, not to mention mass quantities of rice, beans, or even potatoes. Fruits and vegetables are very often <1 USD per pound. A single fast food combo meal can hit $10 USD, which can be groceries for one person for a week. The problem with bad diets emerge from high stress, transportation issues, and lack of food education; not price tags.
- orthecreedence 8y ago
  I just had Burger King at the airport the other day. I could have easily gotten away with spending $3 for an entire meal, with sugar water included. For a meal, that's pretty cheap. Especially if I work a 12 hours shift and don't have time to cook. Also, I grew up in the midwest, and often fruits and veggies look like they were picked up off the side of a freeway. Not saying that you're entirely wrong, but neither is the "it's cheaper to eat shitty food" camp. There's probably a happy medium: less sugar, less meat, less stress, better education, better prices...all things that would help.
  - white-flame 8y ago
    Yes, when I eat fast food, it's always from the value menu. But if you're strapped for cash, $3 per meal on a consistent basis still adds up, compared to <$1 meals prepared at home and ready to grab from the fridge. Certainly convenience & taste is a factor in these decisions as well, but if the primary pain point is raw cost for your baseline consumption because you have no money to spare, you really should be kitchen-based. Of course, all of this assumes that one is being financially sensitive, and not just impulse spending without realizing how much is trickling out. Too many people I know who struggle with their meager finances (even if they make similar or more than I do) are entirely too flippant and just go for the $10 combo meal, not realizing how often they're "treating themselves" and how it's adding up against their monthly balance.
    - 8y ago

by kartan 8y ago

mkirklions 8y ago

>People is overweight because they can not afford healthy food. Fruits and other healthier food is more expensive than junk food. This is wrong. I study food as my expertise, and junk food is always less than 200 calories per dollar. Fresh fruit is similar while home cooked food is a significantly better value. I wont address the other points until you revise this one. Its factually incorrect. Google Calories Per Dollar or Nutrient Per Dollar, or Mcdonalds Calories Per Dollar. The data exists and you need to get up to speed.

orthecreedence 8y ago
What about prep time? Calories-per-dollar / prep time. That might be a factor, especially with the long hours many poor people face.
- mkirklions 8y ago
  Funny you mention this, the actual unit would be Calories squared/(dollar*second). The article was studied literally yesterday and the conclusion for under 3 minute (prep) meals was that Ramen was number 1. However, I'm considering putting this recipe on the list since its a slow cooker http://www.kidsinkitchens.org/ http://www.kidsinkitchens.org/
kartan 8y ago
I have seen in this thread people comparing prepared food to raw food. And, of course, raw food is cheaper. You need to compare apples to apples. Prepared healthy food is way more expensive than junk food. Healthy diet costs three times that of junk food https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11149644/Healthy-diet-costs-three-times-that-of-junk-food.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11149644/Healthy-diet-costs... I hope that his answers your question and we can talk about the rest of the points. :)
- mkirklions 8y ago
  Ouch Telegraph? Remember that the telegraph posted this advertisement https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10210327/McDouble-is-cheapest-and-most-nutritious-food-in-human-history.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10210327/McDouble-i... Google Efficiency Is Everything. Thats actually data and not some tabloid click bait.

white-flame 8y ago

> People is overweight because they can not afford healthy food. Fruits and other healthier food is more expensive than junk food. While I agree with the sentiment of your post, the meme quoted above needs to stop. Two bags of Doritos cost as much as a package of raw chicken that can feed a family, not to mention mass quantities of rice, beans, or even potatoes. Fruits and vegetables are very often <1 USD per pound. A single fast food combo meal can hit $10 USD, which can be groceries for one person for a week. The problem with bad diets emerge from high stress, transportation issues, and lack of food education; not price tags.

orthecreedence 8y ago
I just had Burger King at the airport the other day. I could have easily gotten away with spending $3 for an entire meal, with sugar water included. For a meal, that's pretty cheap. Especially if I work a 12 hours shift and don't have time to cook. Also, I grew up in the midwest, and often fruits and veggies look like they were picked up off the side of a freeway. Not saying that you're entirely wrong, but neither is the "it's cheaper to eat shitty food" camp. There's probably a happy medium: less sugar, less meat, less stress, better education, better prices...all things that would help.
- white-flame 8y ago
  Yes, when I eat fast food, it's always from the value menu. But if you're strapped for cash, $3 per meal on a consistent basis still adds up, compared to <$1 meals prepared at home and ready to grab from the fridge. Certainly convenience & taste is a factor in these decisions as well, but if the primary pain point is raw cost for your baseline consumption because you have no money to spare, you really should be kitchen-based. Of course, all of this assumes that one is being financially sensitive, and not just impulse spending without realizing how much is trickling out. Too many people I know who struggle with their meager finances (even if they make similar or more than I do) are entirely too flippant and just go for the $10 combo meal, not realizing how often they're "treating themselves" and how it's adding up against their monthly balance.
  - 8y ago