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I've also been working in the STEM field for a long time, and from my own experience deadlines of hours are rare. Deadlines of days and longer are both psycholo

I've also been working in the STEM field for a long time, and from my own experience deadlines of hours are rare. Deadlines of days and longer are both psychologically and logistically very different. It is not at all given that someone who can sprint well is a good mid-distance or long-distance runner. > It's exactly like saying that you don't actually need to show all that knowledge during the exam since Wolfram Alpha can do that for you. I don't get how this is at all equivalent. Could you please clarify?

close04 8y ago
I wasn't really thinking of deadline in hours, more like how many extra man-hours/days one would need. If you need more time than the next guy to finish your exam because pressure affects you, when you start working you may end up needing 2 more man-days (15 extra hours) for a task that the other guy can finish on time. Almost all deadlines are set around what your best people can achieve. Not being able to work under pressure will be obvious sooner or later unless you pick a job with very soft and flexible deadlines. And I'm not even touching the situations where it could be a matter of life and death and you have to fix it now. > I don't get how this is at all equivalent. Could you please clarify? I was referring to this: > The pressures STEM employees face at work are usually very different from exam pressure, so I would lean towards "very little" as the answer to that question. Exams rely on a lot of memorizing which can easily be replaced by Google and WA and is not a reflection of how you will do real work so why test that "knowledge"? The pressure to properly allot time to every question and finish in the exam in time after providing all or most of the solutions is an ability to work under pressure perfectly equivalent to the one you feel doing a task at work. You can't replace the working under pressure skill with almost anything else. You have to know if those future engineers can do it fast and well even under pressure. Lessening one burden is no different from lessening the other. And when you do it for the benefit of a single group it can't not feel like it's strengthening arguments that some people need help to get through STEM. That's the last thing women in STEM need, having to fight yet another prejudice.
- Firadeoclus 8y ago
  "Being able to work under pressure" is not a binary skill that you either have or don't have. Pressure comes in various forms and your ability to cope depends on many environmental factors. I have some experience with working to tight deadlines, and it never felt particularly similar to taking an exam. So I would challenge the idea that they're equivalent. A being a better sprinter than B neither means B can't work under pressure nor that B is the worse mid-distance runner. The same is true for mental tasks.

close04 8y ago

I wasn't really thinking of deadline in hours, more like how many extra man-hours/days one would need. If you need more time than the next guy to finish your exam because pressure affects you, when you start working you may end up needing 2 more man-days (15 extra hours) for a task that the other guy can finish on time. Almost all deadlines are set around what your best people can achieve. Not being able to work under pressure will be obvious sooner or later unless you pick a job with very soft and flexible deadlines. And I'm not even touching the situations where it could be a matter of life and death and you have to fix it now. > I don't get how this is at all equivalent. Could you please clarify? I was referring to this: > The pressures STEM employees face at work are usually very different from exam pressure, so I would lean towards "very little" as the answer to that question. Exams rely on a lot of memorizing which can easily be replaced by Google and WA and is not a reflection of how you will do real work so why test that "knowledge"? The pressure to properly allot time to every question and finish in the exam in time after providing all or most of the solutions is an ability to work under pressure perfectly equivalent to the one you feel doing a task at work. You can't replace the working under pressure skill with almost anything else. You have to know if those future engineers can do it fast and well even under pressure. Lessening one burden is no different from lessening the other. And when you do it for the benefit of a single group it can't not feel like it's strengthening arguments that some people need help to get through STEM. That's the last thing women in STEM need, having to fight yet another prejudice.

Firadeoclus 8y ago
"Being able to work under pressure" is not a binary skill that you either have or don't have. Pressure comes in various forms and your ability to cope depends on many environmental factors. I have some experience with working to tight deadlines, and it never felt particularly similar to taking an exam. So I would challenge the idea that they're equivalent. A being a better sprinter than B neither means B can't work under pressure nor that B is the worse mid-distance runner. The same is true for mental tasks.