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To continue navigation on the website, you need to acknowledge our privacy policy Policy not linked or displayed. After clicking "Privacy Preferences": As the

To continue navigation on the website, you need to acknowledge our privacy policy Policy not linked or displayed. After clicking "Privacy Preferences": As the protection of your personal data is an important concern for us, please click on the "More information" link to access our Privacy Policy page No such links anywhere in that thing. But there is one in the page footer: https://www.documentfoundation.org/about-us/privacy/ https://www.documentfoundation.org/about-us/privacy/ 301 about-us/privacy/ 302 privacy/ 301 about-us/privacy/ ...

mrob 8y ago
I browse with Javascript disabled by default, so I didn't know they were doing this. Why does the Document Foundation need to track me? Is LibreOffice itself doing something sneaky that I don't know about? I'd expect this kind of behavior from Facebook or Google, not a Free Software charitable foundation. Seeing that pop-up when I enabled Javascript made me think less of the Document Foundation. If they have a legitimate need for tracking, e.g. user logins for a forum, they can present the warning at the time the user interacts with it.
- mksaunders 8y ago
  > Why does the Document Foundation need to track me? It's not "tracking" (in the sense of monitoring what you do on other sites). On the LibreOffice website, we use the open source stats tool Matomo (formerly Piwik) to get an overview of how people use the site, how people go from one page to another, so that we can improve it. Lots of FOSS projects do this. Also, as explained in the privacy policy, JavaScript is required if you want to use certain third-party services that are embedded into some pages: https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/privacy/privacy-policy-en/ https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/privacy/privacy-policy-... > Is LibreOffice itself doing something sneaky that I don't know about? Of course not. We're a volunteer-driven, community open source project. It's all in the open :-) If you really want to change how the website works, we'd appreciate a hand: website+subscribe@global.libreoffice.org - thanks!
  - WorkLifeBalance 8y ago
    1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. 2. Your privacy policy contains: > !!!add opt-out frame on the website at this position!!!
    - mksaunders 8y ago
      > 1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. OK, we're using open source tools to try to improve the site. Plenty of other FOSS projects do this... Not sure why we're being singled out :-)
      - mcbits 8y ago
        It sounds like it's more intrusive than most of the GDPR cookie notice spam that's been appearing on sites. But if it's causing users to start noticing and asking questions about the tracking on web sites, then GDPR seems to be working. (uBlock Origin also seems to be working because I didn't see the notice.)
      - anc84 8y ago
        You are not singled-out, this is a submission about you so it makes sense to talk about you. Everyone who tracks has improvements in mind.
      - dspillett 8y ago
        > Not sure why we're being singled out Someone who cares has noticed, and enough other people care that the thread is getting upvoted enough to hit the front page of HN. Though still you are not being "singled" out as there are plenty of sites which have had their cookie/privacy/tracking/other behaviours picked apart recently. You are not the first/only and will not be the last!
      - sjmulder 8y ago
        Not sure why we're being singled out :-) Didn't mean no harm or to single you guys out. You're doing fantastic work. But broken and noncompliant notices do bother me a bit. Sorry to drag on like this but the privacy statement (thanks for linking) says: takes place only with the consent of the user It does not, as there appears to be a second cookie notice underneath the first stating how consent is assumed: We use only those functional cookies which are absolutely necessary to ensure that we give you the best navigation experience on our website. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with them. From my understanding, if you're using only functional cookies and no tracking you don't even need consent (as you have legal basis) and you can drop the notice altogether. But I don't think analytics count as functional cookies. Now aside from that nitpicking, thanks for writing such a clear privacy policy and making such good choices regarding the social media buttons, YouTube's privacy mode, and so on. Props!
modzu 8y ago
reflects how i remember the UI of libre - ugly. that said keep up the good work guys
- mksaunders 8y ago
  Feel free to join the Design community and give us a hand - only with more input from volunteers will things get better! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
  - modzu 8y ago
    yes, you're exactly right :) vive open source! to be clear i didn't mean for my comment above to sound sarcastic -- i know how much effort goes into a project like this and its appreciated by linux users the world over

mrob 8y ago

I browse with Javascript disabled by default, so I didn't know they were doing this. Why does the Document Foundation need to track me? Is LibreOffice itself doing something sneaky that I don't know about? I'd expect this kind of behavior from Facebook or Google, not a Free Software charitable foundation. Seeing that pop-up when I enabled Javascript made me think less of the Document Foundation. If they have a legitimate need for tracking, e.g. user logins for a forum, they can present the warning at the time the user interacts with it.

mksaunders 8y ago
> Why does the Document Foundation need to track me? It's not "tracking" (in the sense of monitoring what you do on other sites). On the LibreOffice website, we use the open source stats tool Matomo (formerly Piwik) to get an overview of how people use the site, how people go from one page to another, so that we can improve it. Lots of FOSS projects do this. Also, as explained in the privacy policy, JavaScript is required if you want to use certain third-party services that are embedded into some pages: https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/privacy/privacy-policy-en/ https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/privacy/privacy-policy-... > Is LibreOffice itself doing something sneaky that I don't know about? Of course not. We're a volunteer-driven, community open source project. It's all in the open :-) If you really want to change how the website works, we'd appreciate a hand: website+subscribe@global.libreoffice.org - thanks!
- WorkLifeBalance 8y ago
  1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. 2. Your privacy policy contains: > !!!add opt-out frame on the website at this position!!!
  - mksaunders 8y ago
    > 1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. OK, we're using open source tools to try to improve the site. Plenty of other FOSS projects do this... Not sure why we're being singled out :-)
    - mcbits 8y ago
      It sounds like it's more intrusive than most of the GDPR cookie notice spam that's been appearing on sites. But if it's causing users to start noticing and asking questions about the tracking on web sites, then GDPR seems to be working. (uBlock Origin also seems to be working because I didn't see the notice.)
    - anc84 8y ago
      You are not singled-out, this is a submission about you so it makes sense to talk about you. Everyone who tracks has improvements in mind.
    - dspillett 8y ago
      > Not sure why we're being singled out Someone who cares has noticed, and enough other people care that the thread is getting upvoted enough to hit the front page of HN. Though still you are not being "singled" out as there are plenty of sites which have had their cookie/privacy/tracking/other behaviours picked apart recently. You are not the first/only and will not be the last!
    - sjmulder 8y ago
      Not sure why we're being singled out :-) Didn't mean no harm or to single you guys out. You're doing fantastic work. But broken and noncompliant notices do bother me a bit. Sorry to drag on like this but the privacy statement (thanks for linking) says: takes place only with the consent of the user It does not, as there appears to be a second cookie notice underneath the first stating how consent is assumed: We use only those functional cookies which are absolutely necessary to ensure that we give you the best navigation experience on our website. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with them. From my understanding, if you're using only functional cookies and no tracking you don't even need consent (as you have legal basis) and you can drop the notice altogether. But I don't think analytics count as functional cookies. Now aside from that nitpicking, thanks for writing such a clear privacy policy and making such good choices regarding the social media buttons, YouTube's privacy mode, and so on. Props!

modzu 8y ago

reflects how i remember the UI of libre - ugly. that said keep up the good work guys

mksaunders 8y ago
Feel free to join the Design community and give us a hand - only with more input from volunteers will things get better! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
- modzu 8y ago
  yes, you're exactly right :) vive open source! to be clear i didn't mean for my comment above to sound sarcastic -- i know how much effort goes into a project like this and its appreciated by linux users the world over