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Why China will beat the West in the deadly race for AI weapons UK

14 points by raleighm 8y ago

africasiaeuro 8y ago
visited ICBM software / hardware giant (insider info) - producing top router equipment - in Central China. Take this: Hundreds (!) sw/hw engineers top Tsinhua graduates in cubicles 4 x 4 ft; each one speaks a western language, English, French, German, Russian, etc. Totally motivated, Skim the web all day. Need more ?
amrrs 8y ago
mods: pls edit the title as there's no UK in it.
taneq 8y ago
Those who don't live by the sword can still die by one. Any capable party should, at the very least, be developing AI countermeasures in anticipation of fully autonomous weapons, even if they swear off autonomously targeting humans. Throwing your hands up in the air and protesting "but it's not nice" isn't going to help you when push comes to shove.
- kentrado 8y ago
  We have nuclear weapons. Nobody would dare to invade our mainland. This is only useful for one of our many murderous expeditions around the world. I'd say maybe we shouldn't be invading other countries.
pjc50 8y ago
I see it opens with a classic hippy-punching quote from someone who probably thinks the Vietnam war was just great: "“These naive hippy developers from Silicon Valley don’t understand – the CIA should force them,” says [Sandro] Gaycken, founder of the digital society institute at ESMT, a Berlin-based business school." My three questions would be: 1) How is countering ""AI"" weapons different from countering any other kind of guided or semi-autonomous weapon system? (Do things like "Phalanx" anti-missile guns count as AI, for example?) 2) How do the information security challenges differ from the normal information security challenges against human-made massively automated attacks? At the moment defense in this area is really neglected to start with. 3) (The dark question) How does this stuff relate to civilians, especially in partial, secret, undeclared or unconventional warfare? Do we get to be civilians at all or are the norms so thoroughly eroded?

14 points by raleighm 8y ago

visited ICBM software / hardware giant (insider info) - producing top router equipment - in Central China. Take this: Hundreds (!) sw/hw engineers top Tsinhua graduates in cubicles 4 x 4 ft; each one speaks a western language, English, French, German, Russian, etc. Totally motivated, Skim the web all day. Need more ?

amrrs 8y ago

mods: pls edit the title as there's no UK in it.

taneq 8y ago

Those who don't live by the sword can still die by one. Any capable party should, at the very least, be developing AI countermeasures in anticipation of fully autonomous weapons, even if they swear off autonomously targeting humans. Throwing your hands up in the air and protesting "but it's not nice" isn't going to help you when push comes to shove.

kentrado 8y ago
We have nuclear weapons. Nobody would dare to invade our mainland. This is only useful for one of our many murderous expeditions around the world. I'd say maybe we shouldn't be invading other countries.

pjc50 8y ago

I see it opens with a classic hippy-punching quote from someone who probably thinks the Vietnam war was just great: "“These naive hippy developers from Silicon Valley don’t understand – the CIA should force them,” says [Sandro] Gaycken, founder of the digital society institute at ESMT, a Berlin-based business school." My three questions would be: 1) How is countering ""AI"" weapons different from countering any other kind of guided or semi-autonomous weapon system? (Do things like "Phalanx" anti-missile guns count as AI, for example?) 2) How do the information security challenges differ from the normal information security challenges against human-made massively automated attacks? At the moment defense in this area is really neglected to start with. 3) (The dark question) How does this stuff relate to civilians, especially in partial, secret, undeclared or unconventional warfare? Do we get to be civilians at all or are the norms so thoroughly eroded?