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>We invited you in with your lower score because we recognize it is more difficult for you to achieve that score, and as such are more likely to succeed This s

• intended 8y ago
  How? One of the key criteria for performance today is "grit", which is an evolution over the previous performance indicators such as education/SAT scores (which had poor long term correlation). The assumption that they will underperform is unsubstantiated. Especially considering - all/most Asian American/SE Asian kids go through the ringer to prepare them from the word go, to get into a prestigious school. (Do note - that if they dont get into their first choice college, they will get into their equally good backup schools.) As the dean of Harvard said - he could fill his class with Valedictorians (and probably have many more to spare). Academic achievement is not the main criteria for admissions - and at least in an american system it shouldn't be. ---- Living in a world where Academics decide everything, you can easily see the kind of damage it does to daily life. Societal worth, marriage prospects depend on what is said on that Degree - even if you are terrible at solving real world problems or have 0 motivation to actually work in your field.
  • hnaccy 8y ago
    >Academic achievement is not the main criteria for admissions - and at least in an american system it shouldn't be. Instead it should be the color of your skin? That they will underperform is not unsubstantiated in cases like black law students.
    • KirinDave 8y ago
      The entire thesis is that they're starting from harder place, without necessarily having a superior talent distribution. Therefore, it's not unexpected they'd have a longer mean time to peak performance (which is what studies show). The same is true, by the way, of folks with extremely religious anti-science backgrounds (like me!). Either way, graduation standards don't change.
      • hnaccy 8y ago
        So you believe that white americans start from a harder place than asian americans? >which is what studies show Which studies? Graduation standards have changed for all races, in undergraduate institutions grade inflation is rampant and hard curves or class ranks are relics. The performance of the student body and specific demographics is increasingly muddled. In premier law schools affirmative action demographics continue to underperform, as well as have lower LSAT scores which strongly predicts probability of passing the bar.
        • KirinDave 8y ago
          > So you believe that white americans start from a harder place than asian americans? No. And this, "If anything I am an asian supremcist" angle is so dated, so boring, and so tedious I'm not going to entertain you further. Everyone can see what you're doing. Go debate a 6 year old youtube video rather than waste an instant more of 2018's time. Folks are acutely aware that Asian immigration in the US only allowed extremely rich and overqualified immigrants until relatively recently, and that economic disparity is clearly reflected in many social scales. We're also acutely aware of many eugenicists using "well asian people are just genetically and culturally better" as a blind in America for their racial oppression for years. That history is well-documented.
          • hnaccy 8y ago
            It's the logical conclusion of your stated thesis and affirmative action as it exists today. >Folks are acutely aware that Asian immigration in the US only allowed extremely rich and overqualified immigrants until relatively recently 18th century Chinese laborers are rich and overqualified? Why say "no", whites don't have it harder than asians, then 180 and state that asian americans are all drawn from some privileged group. I'm not a eugenicist I'm just surprised by how easily affirmative actions proponents cast aside asian american concerns and commonly stereotype them as soulless grade grinders with "Tiger Moms" etc.
            • KirinDave 8y ago
  • TheCoelacanth 8y ago
    > Academic achievement is not the main criteria for admissions - and at least in an american system it shouldn't be. That in itself is reasonable. The fact that the key criteria where Asian students had low performance was on the scores from interviews with admissions officers, but their scores on interviews with Harvard alumni were just fine is a pretty damning indicator that Harvard was specifically excluding them because of race and not because of their non-academic qualifications.
• KirinDave 8y ago
  It doesn't punish anyone. This is entirely a anti-racial-equality talking point with no basis in fact.