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It's funny, but after four years on macOS, I returned to GNU/Linux about 16 months ago, and I have not looked back since. Okay, there are a few things I miss, b

by krylon 8y ago

It's funny, but after four years on macOS, I returned to GNU/Linux about 16 months ago, and I have not looked back since. Okay, there are a few things I miss, but all in all, there was more I missed on macOS than I now miss on GNU/Linux. And I do not consider spending a weekend (or longer) to get my sound chip working fun any more. I am too old for that stuff. Maybe I just have a lucky hand picking hardware, but except for the nVidia driver, hardware has just worked(tm) for me. Don't get me wrong, if you are happy on macOS, by all means, enjoy it. But the old cliche that getting hardware to work on GNU/Linux is not true these days. But I do agree, macOS without the tight integration between hardware and OS seems pointless.

bauerd 8y ago
Don't you miss the trackpad? It's what keeps me from switching on the hardware side
- krylon 8y ago
  I never owned a MacBook. My main desktop used to be a 2012 Mac Mini, with a standard PC keyboard and mouse.
- peatmoss 8y ago
  I really like the Thinkpad’s trackpoint if I must use a portable. If I can use a full,ergonomic desktop, the Logitech Marble Mouse is fantastic and cheap.
crispinb 8y ago
> But the old cliche that getting hardware to work on GNU/Linux is not true these days That's only true if you make a point of buying hardware you already know there's linux drivers for. I work with a few headless linux boxes, but not a GUI. Every year or two I try a distribution or two on whatever hardware I have, hit a problem, sigh after reading through numberless blog/SO/reddit posts contradicting each other on what's possible, and abandon the attempt. I have a 2018 Dell XPS 15. From what I've read, there's only an 'experimental' (ugh) driver for the fingerprint scanner. To switch between integrated/GPU graphics, you have to log in and out (or you don't - depending on who you read). Not sure about the touchscreen, but I can't summon the motivation to find out. So much depends on fiddling, experimenting, and reading. I'd rather go for a run, and put up with Windows (which I loathe, but loathing seems to be a precondition of computer use in 2018).
- stevesimmons 8y ago
  I bought the new 2018 Dell XPS 15 the day they were released. I knew the Linux support wasn't perfect on day 1 but fully expect the rough edges (mostly around switching between integrated graphics and GPU, as you say) to be solved in a month or two. I had the same experience with my 2015 Dell XPS 13... a few annoying quirks for the first month (mainly trackpad) which the combined efforts of Dell and the community quickly solved. Since then it has been rock solid. I used it for 3.5 years and only upgraded to the new XPS15 to get more RAM. > So much depends on fiddling, experimenting, and reading. How about not stressing about it now? My approach this time round is to not spend my own time fiddling with it. I'm going to wait patiently for others to figure it all out and get their fixes into upstream distribution. As my main problem is with GPU switching, I've got plenty of non-GPU projects to do in the meantime... P.S. If you do want gpu switching on the XPS15, check out this repo: https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04 https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04
  - crispinb 8y ago
    > How about not stressing about it now? Well that's what I'm doing by using Windows. I don't like it, but it doesn't consume any of my time - even after not having used Windows for many years, I was productive on my new machine within an hour. Windows is a mess compared to OS X, but a fairly productive one for me. I haven't had time to try a Linux install on this machine yet, but have set aside some SSD space for doing so at some point. I have to say though from past experience, I'm not optimistic that it will ever be more than an experiment.

by krylon 8y ago

bauerd 8y ago

Don't you miss the trackpad? It's what keeps me from switching on the hardware side

krylon 8y ago
I never owned a MacBook. My main desktop used to be a 2012 Mac Mini, with a standard PC keyboard and mouse.
peatmoss 8y ago
I really like the Thinkpad’s trackpoint if I must use a portable. If I can use a full,ergonomic desktop, the Logitech Marble Mouse is fantastic and cheap.

crispinb 8y ago

> But the old cliche that getting hardware to work on GNU/Linux is not true these days That's only true if you make a point of buying hardware you already know there's linux drivers for. I work with a few headless linux boxes, but not a GUI. Every year or two I try a distribution or two on whatever hardware I have, hit a problem, sigh after reading through numberless blog/SO/reddit posts contradicting each other on what's possible, and abandon the attempt. I have a 2018 Dell XPS 15. From what I've read, there's only an 'experimental' (ugh) driver for the fingerprint scanner. To switch between integrated/GPU graphics, you have to log in and out (or you don't - depending on who you read). Not sure about the touchscreen, but I can't summon the motivation to find out. So much depends on fiddling, experimenting, and reading. I'd rather go for a run, and put up with Windows (which I loathe, but loathing seems to be a precondition of computer use in 2018).

stevesimmons 8y ago
I bought the new 2018 Dell XPS 15 the day they were released. I knew the Linux support wasn't perfect on day 1 but fully expect the rough edges (mostly around switching between integrated graphics and GPU, as you say) to be solved in a month or two. I had the same experience with my 2015 Dell XPS 13... a few annoying quirks for the first month (mainly trackpad) which the combined efforts of Dell and the community quickly solved. Since then it has been rock solid. I used it for 3.5 years and only upgraded to the new XPS15 to get more RAM. > So much depends on fiddling, experimenting, and reading. How about not stressing about it now? My approach this time round is to not spend my own time fiddling with it. I'm going to wait patiently for others to figure it all out and get their fixes into upstream distribution. As my main problem is with GPU switching, I've got plenty of non-GPU projects to do in the meantime... P.S. If you do want gpu switching on the XPS15, check out this repo: https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04 https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04
- crispinb 8y ago
  > How about not stressing about it now? Well that's what I'm doing by using Windows. I don't like it, but it doesn't consume any of my time - even after not having used Windows for many years, I was productive on my new machine within an hour. Windows is a mess compared to OS X, but a fairly productive one for me. I haven't had time to try a Linux install on this machine yet, but have set aside some SSD space for doing so at some point. I have to say though from past experience, I'm not optimistic that it will ever be more than an experiment.