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I hate MacOS and the way it's getting worse every release, but I don't hate it nearly as much as Windows, and how much Windows is getting worse every release.

bumholio 8y ago
This generalized hate towards change is typically a symptom of age, not technology. It happens to the best of us.
- blacksmith_tb 8y ago
  That's a bit too flip, I think - surely people are entitled to dislike some changes? Or is all change equally good? I would agree that macOS has gotten buggier and less flexible, and those don't seem to me to be positive changes.
- mikestew 8y ago
  To rephrase, you're saying everything is hunky-dory in Mac and Windows Land, and you look forward to every new release as a breath of fresh air of new functionality. To feel otherwise is to be an old fuddy-duddy. I don't know that I could argue that your opinion is mainstream, at least not here.
  - sbuk 8y ago
    “Here” really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Far too many zealots on either side of this echo chamber.
- greedo 8y ago
  I've disliked change since I was a teenager. Perhaps you're making a generalization?
  - freehunter 8y ago
    What gave it away, where they said "generalized" or where they said "typically"?
krylon 8y ago
> I don't hate it nearly as much as Windows, and how much Windows is getting worse every release. As much as I try to maintain a fair and balanced point of view, that is a pretty low standard to meet. I work as a sysadmin at a windows shop (~75 clients), and I regularly have to deal with stuff that would make run away screaming if my trusty old GNU/Linux desktop gave me that kind of trouble. Handling updates for Windows alone is enough to send grown women and men into hysterical laughter. And then you look at license management for their server software, and you think you must have fallen asleep and woken up in some Kafkaesque nightmare[0]. [0] I am told vendors like SAP or Oracle are much worse. But still, Microsoft's licensing schemes are pretty ____ing insane.
- jimnotgym 8y ago
  I wonder start makes your setup so fragile? We have a similar number of Windows machines, and we would be doing nothing in IT this week if we were just answering support calls. We use WSUS for updates, and barely have to touch it? Again I don't have any problem with licensing. I tell a reseller what I want and review their response. No big deal?
  - krylon 8y ago
    > We use WSUS for updates So do we. But I have encountered my fair share of cases where an update to Windows or Office broke some third-party application. Once, and update for Office 2007 failed to register properly (but only on two machines), so after the reboot, Windows Update wanted to install that update again, followed by a reboot, etc. Once, an update to Office broke Autodesk Inventor, and reinstalling inventor subsequently broke Outlook. And don't get me started on Siemens SIMATIC/WinCC software. I have seen Office 2013 cease working spontaneously (again, only on a few select machines, and only a full reinstall fixed the issue), I have seen a certain revision of the AV software we use cause Windows 8.1 to crash regularly (literally: every 24 hours, the same time of day). During my training at a large IT company, I heard they had a team whose entire job was to install and test updates to Windows and third-party applications and test if they broke something. I used to think they were a bunch a wimps, but after a couple of years as a Windows admin, I envy them for having the resources to do that kind of testing. My strategy is to wait for a couple of days after updates become available, check a couple of forums if anybody complains about stuff breaking and then release the updates that I consider safe. > I tell a reseller what I want and review their response. No big deal? Have you ever had to deal with, say, per-CPU vs. per-user licensing for SQL Server? Or consider whether to use a plain old license vs. software assurance? Maybe using GNU/Linux or BSD on my private machines has spoiled me, but I always wonder if MS wants to annoy their customers or if they just want to screw them over. I am not sure if we are doing something wrong or if you are lucky. But I am glad that I do more programming than sysadmin tasks these days.

bumholio 8y ago

This generalized hate towards change is typically a symptom of age, not technology. It happens to the best of us.

blacksmith_tb 8y ago
That's a bit too flip, I think - surely people are entitled to dislike some changes? Or is all change equally good? I would agree that macOS has gotten buggier and less flexible, and those don't seem to me to be positive changes.
mikestew 8y ago
To rephrase, you're saying everything is hunky-dory in Mac and Windows Land, and you look forward to every new release as a breath of fresh air of new functionality. To feel otherwise is to be an old fuddy-duddy. I don't know that I could argue that your opinion is mainstream, at least not here.
- sbuk 8y ago
  “Here” really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Far too many zealots on either side of this echo chamber.
greedo 8y ago
I've disliked change since I was a teenager. Perhaps you're making a generalization?
- freehunter 8y ago
  What gave it away, where they said "generalized" or where they said "typically"?

krylon 8y ago

> I don't hate it nearly as much as Windows, and how much Windows is getting worse every release. As much as I try to maintain a fair and balanced point of view, that is a pretty low standard to meet. I work as a sysadmin at a windows shop (~75 clients), and I regularly have to deal with stuff that would make run away screaming if my trusty old GNU/Linux desktop gave me that kind of trouble. Handling updates for Windows alone is enough to send grown women and men into hysterical laughter. And then you look at license management for their server software, and you think you must have fallen asleep and woken up in some Kafkaesque nightmare[0]. [0] I am told vendors like SAP or Oracle are much worse. But still, Microsoft's licensing schemes are pretty ____ing insane.

jimnotgym 8y ago
I wonder start makes your setup so fragile? We have a similar number of Windows machines, and we would be doing nothing in IT this week if we were just answering support calls. We use WSUS for updates, and barely have to touch it? Again I don't have any problem with licensing. I tell a reseller what I want and review their response. No big deal?
- krylon 8y ago
  > We use WSUS for updates So do we. But I have encountered my fair share of cases where an update to Windows or Office broke some third-party application. Once, and update for Office 2007 failed to register properly (but only on two machines), so after the reboot, Windows Update wanted to install that update again, followed by a reboot, etc. Once, an update to Office broke Autodesk Inventor, and reinstalling inventor subsequently broke Outlook. And don't get me started on Siemens SIMATIC/WinCC software. I have seen Office 2013 cease working spontaneously (again, only on a few select machines, and only a full reinstall fixed the issue), I have seen a certain revision of the AV software we use cause Windows 8.1 to crash regularly (literally: every 24 hours, the same time of day). During my training at a large IT company, I heard they had a team whose entire job was to install and test updates to Windows and third-party applications and test if they broke something. I used to think they were a bunch a wimps, but after a couple of years as a Windows admin, I envy them for having the resources to do that kind of testing. My strategy is to wait for a couple of days after updates become available, check a couple of forums if anybody complains about stuff breaking and then release the updates that I consider safe. > I tell a reseller what I want and review their response. No big deal? Have you ever had to deal with, say, per-CPU vs. per-user licensing for SQL Server? Or consider whether to use a plain old license vs. software assurance? Maybe using GNU/Linux or BSD on my private machines has spoiled me, but I always wonder if MS wants to annoy their customers or if they just want to screw them over. I am not sure if we are doing something wrong or if you are lucky. But I am glad that I do more programming than sysadmin tasks these days.