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These US corporate elites are selling out US and the rest of the democratic free world in order to meet shareholder's expectations (and of course, MONEY!). And

These US corporate elites are selling out US and the rest of the democratic free world in order to meet shareholder's expectations (and of course, MONEY!). And giving into a dictatorship and giving that dictatorship jobs, money, capital, knowledge, and power. That dictatorship now has imprisoned close to 1 million people in Xinjiang. Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government. Shame on you, Tim Cook. Apple has 4.8 million jobs in China, more than double the jobs in US. https://247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/apple-supports-4-8-million-jobs-in-china-more-than-double-us-total/ https://247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/apple-supports-4-8-mil... . Shame on you for not bringing jobs back when news broke out that Foxconn has created a slave labor like working condition. Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there. Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship. But I guess the microsoft borgship has a lot in common with China. Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care, destroying small US businesses. You also partnered with Foxconn for Amazon Echo, tablet, and other hardwares. Amazon is a showcase for trade imbalance. disgusting.

excalibur 8y ago
> user: mobmobmob > created: 17 minutes ago
- xeromal 8y ago
  Is that why the user is green? I've always wondered?
  - ndiscussion 8y ago
    Yes it is, but what does that have to do with the nature of the comment?
    - jasonlotito 8y ago
      Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect. Couple the two together makes it for a comment that doesn't honestly want to drive good conversation.
      - 394549 8y ago
        > Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect. What blatant lies? Everything there looks true, except maybe the employment figures (the US figure apparently includes all people working in the "the iOS ecosystem", which seems totally bogus to me), but that's actually being generous to Apple. Edit: Just to quickly fact check the other stuff: > That dictatorship now has imprisoned close to 1 million people in Xinjiang. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inmates-of-chinas-muslim-re-education-camps-tell-of-brainwashing-torture/2018/05/16/32b330e8-5850-11e8-8b92-45fdd7aaef3c_story.html?noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm... > Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government. Google stops cooperating with Chinese censorship in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... Censored Google being developed in 2018: https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/ https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engi... > Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there. Zuckerberg shamelessly sucking up to Xi/CCP: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-hosts-chinese-internet-regulator-buys-xi-jinpings-book https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-h... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-a6679156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-... > Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship. Bing censoring Chinese search results: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-censors-chinese-language-search-results https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-cens... > Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care Amazon's counterfeit problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazon-may-have-a-counterfeit-problem/558482/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazo...
  - kingbirdy 8y ago
    Yes, any account less than two weeks old will have a green name
Leary 8y ago
The US was not engaged with China prior to 1971, how did that work out for the United States and for China? Over the long-term, engagement with China has led to more personal freedom for the Chinese. Trade with China has helped lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, while helping with the prosperity of the United States. True the corporations are reaping most of the benefits, but that's natural under a free market. We need reforms here in America to broaden the benefits of trade to all workers. Outsourcing to Asian countries existed prior to China's rise in the supply chain. Most of the stuff that is "Made in China" have major components that come from America's allies such as Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. Google is in a position to offer a superior search product to China. We should see this as an opportunity to advance freedom.
- maxwell 8y ago
  Are you seriously suggesting that a censored search engine is "an opportunity to advance freedom"?
  - Leary 8y ago
    Yes. The choice before Google is whether to enter the Chinese market. Staying out of China may make some people feel morally satisfied, but will not give Chinese people more information. Rather Google should be using its influence to challenge censorship from the inside after it reenters the Chinese market.
    - 394549 8y ago
      > Yes. The choice before Google is whether to enter the Chinese market. Staying out of China may make some people feel morally satisfied, but will not give Chinese people more information. Entering the Chinese market also lends prestige to the censoring regime (e.g. "all the companies of the world submit to our demands"), and also makes those demands seem more reasonable. > Rather Google should be using its influence to challenge censorship from the inside after it reenters the Chinese market. The CCP doesn't care at all about Google's challenges to it. Either Google complies totally, or it's out. The CCP doesn't need Google, and they probably would rather people use Baidu anyway.

excalibur 8y ago

> user: mobmobmob > created: 17 minutes ago

xeromal 8y ago
Is that why the user is green? I've always wondered?
- ndiscussion 8y ago
  Yes it is, but what does that have to do with the nature of the comment?
  - jasonlotito 8y ago
    Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect. Couple the two together makes it for a comment that doesn't honestly want to drive good conversation.
    - 394549 8y ago
      > Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect. What blatant lies? Everything there looks true, except maybe the employment figures (the US figure apparently includes all people working in the "the iOS ecosystem", which seems totally bogus to me), but that's actually being generous to Apple. Edit: Just to quickly fact check the other stuff: > That dictatorship now has imprisoned close to 1 million people in Xinjiang. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inmates-of-chinas-muslim-re-education-camps-tell-of-brainwashing-torture/2018/05/16/32b330e8-5850-11e8-8b92-45fdd7aaef3c_story.html?noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm... > Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government. Google stops cooperating with Chinese censorship in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... Censored Google being developed in 2018: https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/ https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engi... > Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there. Zuckerberg shamelessly sucking up to Xi/CCP: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-hosts-chinese-internet-regulator-buys-xi-jinpings-book https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-h... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-a6679156.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-... > Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship. Bing censoring Chinese search results: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-censors-chinese-language-search-results https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-cens... > Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care Amazon's counterfeit problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazon-may-have-a-counterfeit-problem/558482/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazo...
- kingbirdy 8y ago
  Yes, any account less than two weeks old will have a green name

Leary 8y ago

The US was not engaged with China prior to 1971, how did that work out for the United States and for China? Over the long-term, engagement with China has led to more personal freedom for the Chinese. Trade with China has helped lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, while helping with the prosperity of the United States. True the corporations are reaping most of the benefits, but that's natural under a free market. We need reforms here in America to broaden the benefits of trade to all workers. Outsourcing to Asian countries existed prior to China's rise in the supply chain. Most of the stuff that is "Made in China" have major components that come from America's allies such as Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. Google is in a position to offer a superior search product to China. We should see this as an opportunity to advance freedom.

maxwell 8y ago
Are you seriously suggesting that a censored search engine is "an opportunity to advance freedom"?
- Leary 8y ago
  Yes. The choice before Google is whether to enter the Chinese market. Staying out of China may make some people feel morally satisfied, but will not give Chinese people more information. Rather Google should be using its influence to challenge censorship from the inside after it reenters the Chinese market.
  - 394549 8y ago
    > Yes. The choice before Google is whether to enter the Chinese market. Staying out of China may make some people feel morally satisfied, but will not give Chinese people more information. Entering the Chinese market also lends prestige to the censoring regime (e.g. "all the companies of the world submit to our demands"), and also makes those demands seem more reasonable. > Rather Google should be using its influence to challenge censorship from the inside after it reenters the Chinese market. The CCP doesn't care at all about Google's challenges to it. Either Google complies totally, or it's out. The CCP doesn't need Google, and they probably would rather people use Baidu anyway.