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Someone else said the same thing and got downvoted to hell, but let’s be clear: while it’s very obvious that Russia assisted the Trump campaign and bought ads f

by woah 8y ago

Someone else said the same thing and got downvoted to hell, but let’s be clear: while it’s very obvious that Russia assisted the Trump campaign and bought ads for Trump, there has never been any evidence or even suspicion that they were involved in direct vote manipulation regardless of what clickbait headlines may imply.

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komali2 8y ago
I'm curious if you consider a phishing attack a "hack." More clear: is calling a company, pretending to be their IT, and getting their root credentials, "hacking?"
- squiggleblaz 8y ago
  I don't. It's fraud. A hack is technical. The fact that you get access to a computer system isn't what makes a hack a hack. In terms of democracy. People can be mislead whether by internal or external sources. Democracy works slowly. The important thing is that they have another chance to vote in a few years to vote in their interest. Things that affect the effectiveness of a democracy include a limited franchise (e.g. a test to ensure only "educated" voters are allowed, restrictions on people who have previously been jailed, precinct voting[1] with voting on a working day); ballot stuffing; gerrymandered districts and excessive malapportionment; insufficient sensitivity to changes in public opinion (e.g. not enough legislators); supermajority requirements (on ordinary bills) and vetoes for small groups. [1]: Since not everyone will be aware of what precinct voting is, it's a system where you are allocated to a certain voting centre. So you live in Ballotsville South: therefore, you're only allowed to vote at the Ballotsville South Primary School. Other jurisdictions permit people the freedom to select the voting centre based on convenience. Every voting centre in some district will have a ballot and a record for you. In some broader district they may not have a record for you but they still allow you to vote by keeping your ballot inside a sealed envelope: then they can confirm your entitlement and open your ballot or destroy it as appropriate.

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komali2 8y ago

I'm curious if you consider a phishing attack a "hack." More clear: is calling a company, pretending to be their IT, and getting their root credentials, "hacking?"

squiggleblaz 8y ago
I don't. It's fraud. A hack is technical. The fact that you get access to a computer system isn't what makes a hack a hack. In terms of democracy. People can be mislead whether by internal or external sources. Democracy works slowly. The important thing is that they have another chance to vote in a few years to vote in their interest. Things that affect the effectiveness of a democracy include a limited franchise (e.g. a test to ensure only "educated" voters are allowed, restrictions on people who have previously been jailed, precinct voting[1] with voting on a working day); ballot stuffing; gerrymandered districts and excessive malapportionment; insufficient sensitivity to changes in public opinion (e.g. not enough legislators); supermajority requirements (on ordinary bills) and vetoes for small groups. [1]: Since not everyone will be aware of what precinct voting is, it's a system where you are allocated to a certain voting centre. So you live in Ballotsville South: therefore, you're only allowed to vote at the Ballotsville South Primary School. Other jurisdictions permit people the freedom to select the voting centre based on convenience. Every voting centre in some district will have a ballot and a record for you. In some broader district they may not have a record for you but they still allow you to vote by keeping your ballot inside a sealed envelope: then they can confirm your entitlement and open your ballot or destroy it as appropriate.