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An automated voting system is very efficient. You only need one person to change all the votes... A good thing about so much people involved in voting is that

by kartan 8y ago

An automated voting system is very efficient. You only need one person to change all the votes... A good thing about so much people involved in voting is that is harder to cheat. Even an state agent like Russia can influence elections only so much. It was very effective because it just needed to change a few percentage points to tip the balance. The bi-partisan system, gerrymandering and sub-standard education makes democracy fragile. Automated voting systems are much more dangerous. > "It's internet voting on people's horribly secured devices, over our horrible networks, to servers that are very difficult to secure without a physical paper record of the vote." This is a good summary of a few of the problems.

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ataturk 8y ago
Just to be clear: There has never been any real evidence put forth that Russia tampered with the US elections in any direct manner. They had some bots of Facebook that attempted to sway public opinion, and that's about it. Whether they had individual agents placed as poll workers have never been proven. My own take is that there is corruption in the US voting system and that major cities have some badly corrupted districts that could be fixed if we wanted to: Voter ID, limit absentee ballots, and place neutral observers from outside the county. It's not a matter of being able to fix the problem, it is a matter of will because voter fraud is institutional.
- silverbax88 8y ago
  There was never any real evidence they didn't tamper with the elections, either. No forensics on voting machines; no recounts; no risk limiting audits in the target areas.
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  - colemannugent 8y ago
    How about a video of Obama saying there was no tampering? https://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-no-technical-tampering-with-voting-process-835197507860 https://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-no-technical-tampering-w...
- bduerst 8y ago
  I'm not sure how you can claim there isn't evidence of tampering with elections in a "direct" manner, and then claim there's tampering without evidence.
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woah 8y ago
Someone else said the same thing and got downvoted to hell, but let’s be clear: while it’s very obvious that Russia assisted the Trump campaign and bought ads for Trump, there has never been any evidence or even suspicion that they were involved in direct vote manipulation regardless of what clickbait headlines may imply.
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- komali2 8y ago
  I'm curious if you consider a phishing attack a "hack." More clear: is calling a company, pretending to be their IT, and getting their root credentials, "hacking?"
  - squiggleblaz 8y ago
    I don't. It's fraud. A hack is technical. The fact that you get access to a computer system isn't what makes a hack a hack. In terms of democracy. People can be mislead whether by internal or external sources. Democracy works slowly. The important thing is that they have another chance to vote in a few years to vote in their interest. Things that affect the effectiveness of a democracy include a limited franchise (e.g. a test to ensure only "educated" voters are allowed, restrictions on people who have previously been jailed, precinct voting[1] with voting on a working day); ballot stuffing; gerrymandered districts and excessive malapportionment; insufficient sensitivity to changes in public opinion (e.g. not enough legislators); supermajority requirements (on ordinary bills) and vetoes for small groups. [1]: Since not everyone will be aware of what precinct voting is, it's a system where you are allocated to a certain voting centre. So you live in Ballotsville South: therefore, you're only allowed to vote at the Ballotsville South Primary School. Other jurisdictions permit people the freedom to select the voting centre based on convenience. Every voting centre in some district will have a ballot and a record for you. In some broader district they may not have a record for you but they still allow you to vote by keeping your ballot inside a sealed envelope: then they can confirm your entitlement and open your ballot or destroy it as appropriate.
DonHopkins 8y ago
Not even one person. One Chimpanzee can change all the votes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4-wQhtRiP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4-wQhtRiP8 https://medium.com/@donhopkins/dumbold-voting-machine-for-the-sims-1-3e76f394452c https://medium.com/@donhopkins/dumbold-voting-machine-for-th...

by kartan 8y ago

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ataturk 8y ago

Just to be clear: There has never been any real evidence put forth that Russia tampered with the US elections in any direct manner. They had some bots of Facebook that attempted to sway public opinion, and that's about it. Whether they had individual agents placed as poll workers have never been proven. My own take is that there is corruption in the US voting system and that major cities have some badly corrupted districts that could be fixed if we wanted to: Voter ID, limit absentee ballots, and place neutral observers from outside the county. It's not a matter of being able to fix the problem, it is a matter of will because voter fraud is institutional.

silverbax88 8y ago
There was never any real evidence they didn't tamper with the elections, either. No forensics on voting machines; no recounts; no risk limiting audits in the target areas.
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- colemannugent 8y ago
  How about a video of Obama saying there was no tampering? https://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-no-technical-tampering-with-voting-process-835197507860 https://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-no-technical-tampering-w...
bduerst 8y ago
I'm not sure how you can claim there isn't evidence of tampering with elections in a "direct" manner, and then claim there's tampering without evidence.
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woah 8y ago

Someone else said the same thing and got downvoted to hell, but let’s be clear: while it’s very obvious that Russia assisted the Trump campaign and bought ads for Trump, there has never been any evidence or even suspicion that they were involved in direct vote manipulation regardless of what clickbait headlines may imply.

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komali2 8y ago
I'm curious if you consider a phishing attack a "hack." More clear: is calling a company, pretending to be their IT, and getting their root credentials, "hacking?"
- squiggleblaz 8y ago
  I don't. It's fraud. A hack is technical. The fact that you get access to a computer system isn't what makes a hack a hack. In terms of democracy. People can be mislead whether by internal or external sources. Democracy works slowly. The important thing is that they have another chance to vote in a few years to vote in their interest. Things that affect the effectiveness of a democracy include a limited franchise (e.g. a test to ensure only "educated" voters are allowed, restrictions on people who have previously been jailed, precinct voting[1] with voting on a working day); ballot stuffing; gerrymandered districts and excessive malapportionment; insufficient sensitivity to changes in public opinion (e.g. not enough legislators); supermajority requirements (on ordinary bills) and vetoes for small groups. [1]: Since not everyone will be aware of what precinct voting is, it's a system where you are allocated to a certain voting centre. So you live in Ballotsville South: therefore, you're only allowed to vote at the Ballotsville South Primary School. Other jurisdictions permit people the freedom to select the voting centre based on convenience. Every voting centre in some district will have a ballot and a record for you. In some broader district they may not have a record for you but they still allow you to vote by keeping your ballot inside a sealed envelope: then they can confirm your entitlement and open your ballot or destroy it as appropriate.

DonHopkins 8y ago

Not even one person. One Chimpanzee can change all the votes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4-wQhtRiP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4-wQhtRiP8 https://medium.com/@donhopkins/dumbold-voting-machine-for-the-sims-1-3e76f394452c https://medium.com/@donhopkins/dumbold-voting-machine-for-th...