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The kid sounds like he is indeed boring, but also not the sharpest crayon in the box. It's too bad, really, because it would be great to have someone that was a

The kid sounds like he is indeed boring, but also not the sharpest crayon in the box. It's too bad, really, because it would be great to have someone that was a little more aware of his/her rights to try to take the .gov to task for this kind of shenanigans.

zaidf 16y ago
take the .gov to task for this kind of shenanigans Easy to say that sitting behind a keyboard. When the FBI knocks at your door and screams "terrorism" to your shock, all you want to do is want that moment to disappear forever and hope your family is ok. Taking the gov to task is pretty low down on the list of to-dos.
- olefoo 16y ago
  And that is why those who do stand up for their rights should be recognized for their courage on our behalf. Personally, were I to discover such an item on my vehicle, it would go directly to my lawyers office; it wouldn't get posted on reddit.
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  - loewenskind 16y ago
    I strongly disagree about posting on reddit. If needed they can shut you and your lawyer up but they can't make potentially millions of people un-see something.
barrkel 16y ago
I'm not sure I'd be willing to turn my life upside down, and possibly destroy it, on a hopeful chance of pushing back against the weight of the US government. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that people who do that are brave but foolhardy - probably not the sharpest crayons in the box.
chmike 16y ago
I don't get it. 9/11 was a disaster and humiliation for security agencies. Now they just do their job in the best way they can and their job is to ensure the security of US citizens. Why making their job more difficult ? I would cooperate and help them focus on real potential threats. Are we talking about torture ? About secret detention for months ? About deprivation of elementary defense rights ? Organization defending citizen rights should be helped to focus on real threats and problems too, like this fishy 9/11 event. I'm not US citizen, don't live in the US and have no particular connections or interests in the US. I just wanted to let you know that the reactions to this incident where it seem defending peoples own right has priority over defending peoples security gives an impression of selfishness and short sighting. The other thing I don't understand is why the discovery and the device wasn't immediately reported to the police. It could have been put there by black hat people on to something on his behalf. According to his profile, this would be very plausible. Something like turning him into a terrorist, or whatever.
- lsc 16y ago
  >I'm not US citizen, don't live in the US and have no particular connections or interests in the US. I just wanted to let you know that the reactions to this incident where it seem defending peoples own right has priority over defending peoples security gives an impression of selfishness and short sighting. Eh, a lot of Americans feel like personal rights should be a higher priority than security. A very famous and admired American once said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." So yeah, I guess that is selfish, but it is also a very American value; when you get down to it, we are a selfish people, and to some extent we are proud of that selfishness and independence. I strongly disagree that it is short sighted. The thing is, governments have a way of getting out of hand if the citizenry doesn't keep it in check. I think that long term our distrust of our government will serve us well. In general, I think in any organization, listening to the dissenting voices is good for the health and long term viability of the organization. Edit: Yeah, we probably are a little bit different than the rest of the world in this regard; part of that, i think, is that it's been so long since any other country posed anything like a credible threat to us. We have to worry about our government like everyone else does, but unlike everyone else, there's really no realistic chance of anyone else posing anything like a credible threat to our safety.

zaidf 16y ago

take the .gov to task for this kind of shenanigans Easy to say that sitting behind a keyboard. When the FBI knocks at your door and screams "terrorism" to your shock, all you want to do is want that moment to disappear forever and hope your family is ok. Taking the gov to task is pretty low down on the list of to-dos.

olefoo 16y ago
And that is why those who do stand up for their rights should be recognized for their courage on our behalf. Personally, were I to discover such an item on my vehicle, it would go directly to my lawyers office; it wouldn't get posted on reddit.
- deleted 16y ago
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- loewenskind 16y ago
  I strongly disagree about posting on reddit. If needed they can shut you and your lawyer up but they can't make potentially millions of people un-see something.

barrkel 16y ago

I'm not sure I'd be willing to turn my life upside down, and possibly destroy it, on a hopeful chance of pushing back against the weight of the US government. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that people who do that are brave but foolhardy - probably not the sharpest crayons in the box.

chmike 16y ago

I don't get it. 9/11 was a disaster and humiliation for security agencies. Now they just do their job in the best way they can and their job is to ensure the security of US citizens. Why making their job more difficult ? I would cooperate and help them focus on real potential threats. Are we talking about torture ? About secret detention for months ? About deprivation of elementary defense rights ? Organization defending citizen rights should be helped to focus on real threats and problems too, like this fishy 9/11 event. I'm not US citizen, don't live in the US and have no particular connections or interests in the US. I just wanted to let you know that the reactions to this incident where it seem defending peoples own right has priority over defending peoples security gives an impression of selfishness and short sighting. The other thing I don't understand is why the discovery and the device wasn't immediately reported to the police. It could have been put there by black hat people on to something on his behalf. According to his profile, this would be very plausible. Something like turning him into a terrorist, or whatever.

lsc 16y ago
>I'm not US citizen, don't live in the US and have no particular connections or interests in the US. I just wanted to let you know that the reactions to this incident where it seem defending peoples own right has priority over defending peoples security gives an impression of selfishness and short sighting. Eh, a lot of Americans feel like personal rights should be a higher priority than security. A very famous and admired American once said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." So yeah, I guess that is selfish, but it is also a very American value; when you get down to it, we are a selfish people, and to some extent we are proud of that selfishness and independence. I strongly disagree that it is short sighted. The thing is, governments have a way of getting out of hand if the citizenry doesn't keep it in check. I think that long term our distrust of our government will serve us well. In general, I think in any organization, listening to the dissenting voices is good for the health and long term viability of the organization. Edit: Yeah, we probably are a little bit different than the rest of the world in this regard; part of that, i think, is that it's been so long since any other country posed anything like a credible threat to us. We have to worry about our government like everyone else does, but unlike everyone else, there's really no realistic chance of anyone else posing anything like a credible threat to our safety.