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So, what exactly happened? The EPA was founded by a republican (Nixon). Yet environmental efforts are now attributed to democrats. And combined with that, is th

So, what exactly happened? The EPA was founded by a republican (Nixon). Yet environmental efforts are now attributed to democrats. And combined with that, is that republicans was to destroy the very org they made? What am I missing out of this? Why did the parties completely change their face?

mywittyname 8y ago
The Reagan administration sold the GOP that all government agencies are incompetent.
- close04 8y ago
  Whatever the reason, the solution is pretty straight forward: make extensive use of asbestos in every single room of the White House. :)
  - leesalminen 8y ago
    I had to search around for the flag button as I so rarely use it. I don’t think these kinds of comments are welcome on HN. Save it for reddit.
- i_am_nomad 8y ago
  Not exactly. Reagan was a surprisingly nuanced political thinker, whether or not you agree with him. He believed - and in fact observed - that government has an inherent motivation to constantly increase legislation. This, according to Reagan, is partly because legislators who vote for more regulations on a given industry will then benefit from that industry’s lobbying and campaigning efforts. It’s akin to a somewhat benevolent protection racket - play ball, or you might find it even more expensive to do business. Of course, Reagan flipped that script and made wanton deregulation a “selling point” of the GOP. And now Trump has taken that to the extreme.
jccalhoun 8y ago
The political parties did largely switch sides on many issues. As Republicans love to remind people, Lincoln was a Republican and he freed the slaves. Additionally the politicians who opposed civil rights legislation were largely Democrats. http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/ http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switc...
- burfog 8y ago
  Had there been an actual switch, you would have seen numerous politicians changing party. Virtually none of them did. The one senator: Strom Thurmond The one representative: Albert Watson The whole "party switch" idea is slander and an excuse. It's a rewrite of history intended to evade the ugly truth of an unbroken continuity to behavior that is now considered unacceptable.
  - jccalhoun 8y ago
    and that behavior would be?
ruseOps 8y ago
You’re missing the fact that introducing bureaucracy is the GOP’s best tool in dismantling big bad government. In Nixon’s time, introducing an agency that directly answered to/was controlled by Congress was the name of the game.
- padobson 8y ago
  Pretty hard to call Nixon a small-government conservative. He was the last of the Rockefeller Republicans (counting Ford as part of his administration). Some Nixon Admin policies: -Nominating Warren Burger and Harry Blackmun to the Supreme Court, who concurred in Roe v Wade.[0] -Creating subsidies to turn corn into a commodity crop, effectively paying farmers to grow a lot of it[1] -De-coupling the US Dollar from the value of gold and instituting price and wage controls[2] No Republican in any district in 2018 America could get the nomination supporting these policies. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_deci... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Secretary_of_Agriculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Secretary_of_Agricul... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Domestic_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Domestic_policy
stevenwoo 8y ago
In a very shorthand version of things - it's related to fundamentalist Christians switching from segregation to anti abortion as a rallying cry in the 70's, which somewhat meant a switch from southern Democrats to the GOP as time went on, the tie in used during the Reagan adminstration by his EPA head James Watt was that the Bible says that the world is for humans to use, and that since the Bible predicts that Jesus is coming back, saving the environment from development is a pointless goal cause the second coming of God would render the state of the environment moot (of course one could probably find contradictory statements/interpretations for either side of an argument in the Bible).
jakeinthehills9 8y ago
>So, what exactly happened? The elites enact the laws they want. They are tired of protecting the public's health when there are 7 billion people and the goal of the Georgia Guidestones clearly states a reduction in population is a goal. This is why so many mutagens and pseudo-estrogens are being purposely placed into food and products in order to saturate the environment. The elites believe that mutations create unique and desirable traits (think roses, orchids, dogs and stallions) and in order for the human race to evolve we need to speed up mutations and hybridization. (See also blacked.com) Asbestos isn't going to create the next Einstein, though. I suspect it is being allowed because it is cheap and lots of it exists, so "Why not try to make a profit from it even if it does make some poor people sick? "If they were smart they wouldn't be poor!" The "legislature" is mostly a circus to distract you from the action behind the curtain.
- thebrettd 8y ago
  This website is NSFW.

mywittyname 8y ago

The Reagan administration sold the GOP that all government agencies are incompetent.

close04 8y ago
Whatever the reason, the solution is pretty straight forward: make extensive use of asbestos in every single room of the White House. :)
- leesalminen 8y ago
  I had to search around for the flag button as I so rarely use it. I don’t think these kinds of comments are welcome on HN. Save it for reddit.
i_am_nomad 8y ago
Not exactly. Reagan was a surprisingly nuanced political thinker, whether or not you agree with him. He believed - and in fact observed - that government has an inherent motivation to constantly increase legislation. This, according to Reagan, is partly because legislators who vote for more regulations on a given industry will then benefit from that industry’s lobbying and campaigning efforts. It’s akin to a somewhat benevolent protection racket - play ball, or you might find it even more expensive to do business. Of course, Reagan flipped that script and made wanton deregulation a “selling point” of the GOP. And now Trump has taken that to the extreme.

jccalhoun 8y ago

The political parties did largely switch sides on many issues. As Republicans love to remind people, Lincoln was a Republican and he freed the slaves. Additionally the politicians who opposed civil rights legislation were largely Democrats. http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/ http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switc...

burfog 8y ago
Had there been an actual switch, you would have seen numerous politicians changing party. Virtually none of them did. The one senator: Strom Thurmond The one representative: Albert Watson The whole "party switch" idea is slander and an excuse. It's a rewrite of history intended to evade the ugly truth of an unbroken continuity to behavior that is now considered unacceptable.
- jccalhoun 8y ago
  and that behavior would be?

ruseOps 8y ago

You’re missing the fact that introducing bureaucracy is the GOP’s best tool in dismantling big bad government. In Nixon’s time, introducing an agency that directly answered to/was controlled by Congress was the name of the game.

padobson 8y ago
Pretty hard to call Nixon a small-government conservative. He was the last of the Rockefeller Republicans (counting Ford as part of his administration). Some Nixon Admin policies: -Nominating Warren Burger and Harry Blackmun to the Supreme Court, who concurred in Roe v Wade.[0] -Creating subsidies to turn corn into a commodity crop, effectively paying farmers to grow a lot of it[1] -De-coupling the US Dollar from the value of gold and instituting price and wage controls[2] No Republican in any district in 2018 America could get the nomination supporting these policies. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_deci... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Secretary_of_Agriculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Secretary_of_Agricul... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Domestic_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon#Domestic_policy

stevenwoo 8y ago

In a very shorthand version of things - it's related to fundamentalist Christians switching from segregation to anti abortion as a rallying cry in the 70's, which somewhat meant a switch from southern Democrats to the GOP as time went on, the tie in used during the Reagan adminstration by his EPA head James Watt was that the Bible says that the world is for humans to use, and that since the Bible predicts that Jesus is coming back, saving the environment from development is a pointless goal cause the second coming of God would render the state of the environment moot (of course one could probably find contradictory statements/interpretations for either side of an argument in the Bible).

jakeinthehills9 8y ago

>So, what exactly happened? The elites enact the laws they want. They are tired of protecting the public's health when there are 7 billion people and the goal of the Georgia Guidestones clearly states a reduction in population is a goal. This is why so many mutagens and pseudo-estrogens are being purposely placed into food and products in order to saturate the environment. The elites believe that mutations create unique and desirable traits (think roses, orchids, dogs and stallions) and in order for the human race to evolve we need to speed up mutations and hybridization. (See also blacked.com) Asbestos isn't going to create the next Einstein, though. I suspect it is being allowed because it is cheap and lots of it exists, so "Why not try to make a profit from it even if it does make some poor people sick? "If they were smart they wouldn't be poor!" The "legislature" is mostly a circus to distract you from the action behind the curtain.

thebrettd 8y ago
This website is NSFW.