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This makes no sense. As far as I can tell they pulled property crime out of their definition of public safety, but left in the cost. This also flies in the face

This makes no sense. As far as I can tell they pulled property crime out of their definition of public safety, but left in the cost. This also flies in the face of the fact that the current era is one of the safest in history. I think many people are sympathetic to reform in the criminal justice system. It would be a good thing to do. Particularly laws around drugs and illegal substances. It also gets to the root of many of these problems. I think that’s a much better way to move the needle, rather than just looking at the money spent and deciding “well, this isn’t working based on my definition, so we might as well not do it”.

gameswithgo 8y ago
>This also flies in the face of the fact that the current era is one of the safest in history. Is it also one of the safest in history in other nations that have not increased their incarceration rates?
- edmccard 8y ago
  >Is it also one of the safest in history in other nations that have not increased their incarceration rates? Yes[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop
  - gnu8 8y ago
    Interesting that there is no link between that page and the lead hypothesis, which seems to be gaining more credibility these days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-lead-crime-roundup-for-2018/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-le...
SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
> This also flies in the face of the fact that the current era is one of the safest in history. If this were solely limited to incarceration rates the United States would have the lowest crime rate in the world.
google_censors 8y ago
Apparently the author(s) think that you're safe if people are breaking into your house and stealing your things as long as you're not getting bashed over the head. Such an odd way to look at it. I don't think a lot of people who have had their house broken into feel just as safe afterwards. I do agree with their premise that prison for drug offenses is a terrible idea, but I hate that they lump drugs in with property crime. Property crime is definitely not victimless.

gameswithgo 8y ago

>This also flies in the face of the fact that the current era is one of the safest in history. Is it also one of the safest in history in other nations that have not increased their incarceration rates?

edmccard 8y ago
>Is it also one of the safest in history in other nations that have not increased their incarceration rates? Yes[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop
- gnu8 8y ago
  Interesting that there is no link between that page and the lead hypothesis, which seems to be gaining more credibility these days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-lead-crime-roundup-for-2018/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-le...

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

> This also flies in the face of the fact that the current era is one of the safest in history. If this were solely limited to incarceration rates the United States would have the lowest crime rate in the world.

google_censors 8y ago

Apparently the author(s) think that you're safe if people are breaking into your house and stealing your things as long as you're not getting bashed over the head. Such an odd way to look at it. I don't think a lot of people who have had their house broken into feel just as safe afterwards. I do agree with their premise that prison for drug offenses is a terrible idea, but I hate that they lump drugs in with property crime. Property crime is definitely not victimless.