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Not anymore and we have the EU-law and smartphones tonthabk for that. I remeber when Nokia, Sony etc. all had a different charger and they all were hardwired e

by lwkl 8y ago

Not anymore and we have the EU-law and smartphones tonthabk for that. I remeber when Nokia, Sony etc. all had a different charger and they all were hardwired except the iPods and later the iPhones.

TomMarius 8y ago
> Not anymore and we have the EU-law and smartphones tonthabk for that. What? The EU did absolutely nothing that got us this outcome. It was purely the market itself, when everyone started switching to smartphones and it was common to connect your smartphone to your PC. Remember that smartphones are not evolution of mobile phones, but PDAs and MDAs - that had mini USBs for a long time before any smartphone has existed. This started at least around 2003 and around 2007, it was already clear that not using USB is a disadvantage, and in 2008/9 it was irrelevant what "dumb" mobile phone manufacturers are doing as it was clear that smartphones have won in the long run. Yeah, the EU has created a memorandum. A completely irrelevant memorandum, as it was created in 2009, very very late in the game.
- deleted 8y ago
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- pergadad 8y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply
- imari 8y ago
  It was entirely because of the EU as to why most smart-phone manufacturers switched to USB. It wasn't really a law per-say but more of a MoU[0] (which means it's entirely voluntary). Apparently, having them comply with it voluntarily didn't work out so well, which is why they want to enforce it as a law[1]. [0] http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/red-directive/common-charger_en http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/re... [1] https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/07/eu-study-harmonize-phone-chargers/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/07/eu-study-harmonize-phone...
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    So how do you explain the fact that I used many PDAs before 2009 (I had 4 between 2004 and 2009) that had mini USBs and there mostly wasn't a PDA on the market that didn't have mini USB around 2007?
    - icebraining 8y ago
      From what I can tell, neither Palm nor Samsung nor the HP iPAQs were using USB on their PDAs back in 2007. Neither was Nokia on their pre-iPhone smartphones, like the E-series. And obviously, the original "modern smartphone" - the iPhone - didn't either.
- jarfil 8y ago
  It's completely irrelevant what PDA manufacturers were doing when the bulk of charger waste comes precisely from those "dumb" phones. And Apple.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    It's not. The bulk of charger waste comes from old phones. New dumb phones a) mostly have USB and, more importantly, b) are not sold at all - the market has became completely insignificant. We would spend a lot of tax money on this regulation, and the money would be spent to regulate a market that barely exist anymore and will not exist almost completely soon. If we used the same amount of money to clean air or sea directly, we would get much better result. Additionally, charger waste is not that big problem according to our national recycling agency and their experts. These products can be and are recycled. There are much bigger issues we should be looking at that are ignored or not given enough attention.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      We would spend a lot of tax money on this regulation How so? Are you thinking they would check every single model, or something like that? As far as I know, that's not how these regulations are enforced, they wait for complaints, then confirm the claims and fine the company.
      - TomMarius 8y ago
        How so? How not so? Do you know how lengthy the legislative process is in the EU and what needs to happen before a law is even voted on, and how much it costs?
        icebraining 8y ago
        Oh. Alright, how much does it cost?
        eecc 8y ago

by lwkl 8y ago

Not anymore and we have the EU-law and smartphones tonthabk for that. I remeber when Nokia, Sony etc. all had a different charger and they all were hardwired except the iPods and later the iPhones.

TomMarius 8y ago

> Not anymore and we have the EU-law and smartphones tonthabk for that. What? The EU did absolutely nothing that got us this outcome. It was purely the market itself, when everyone started switching to smartphones and it was common to connect your smartphone to your PC. Remember that smartphones are not evolution of mobile phones, but PDAs and MDAs - that had mini USBs for a long time before any smartphone has existed. This started at least around 2003 and around 2007, it was already clear that not using USB is a disadvantage, and in 2008/9 it was irrelevant what "dumb" mobile phone manufacturers are doing as it was clear that smartphones have won in the long run. Yeah, the EU has created a memorandum. A completely irrelevant memorandum, as it was created in 2009, very very late in the game.

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pergadad 8y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply
imari 8y ago
It was entirely because of the EU as to why most smart-phone manufacturers switched to USB. It wasn't really a law per-say but more of a MoU[0] (which means it's entirely voluntary). Apparently, having them comply with it voluntarily didn't work out so well, which is why they want to enforce it as a law[1]. [0] http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/red-directive/common-charger_en http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/re... [1] https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/07/eu-study-harmonize-phone-chargers/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/07/eu-study-harmonize-phone...
- TomMarius 8y ago
  So how do you explain the fact that I used many PDAs before 2009 (I had 4 between 2004 and 2009) that had mini USBs and there mostly wasn't a PDA on the market that didn't have mini USB around 2007?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    From what I can tell, neither Palm nor Samsung nor the HP iPAQs were using USB on their PDAs back in 2007. Neither was Nokia on their pre-iPhone smartphones, like the E-series. And obviously, the original "modern smartphone" - the iPhone - didn't either.
jarfil 8y ago
It's completely irrelevant what PDA manufacturers were doing when the bulk of charger waste comes precisely from those "dumb" phones. And Apple.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  It's not. The bulk of charger waste comes from old phones. New dumb phones a) mostly have USB and, more importantly, b) are not sold at all - the market has became completely insignificant. We would spend a lot of tax money on this regulation, and the money would be spent to regulate a market that barely exist anymore and will not exist almost completely soon. If we used the same amount of money to clean air or sea directly, we would get much better result. Additionally, charger waste is not that big problem according to our national recycling agency and their experts. These products can be and are recycled. There are much bigger issues we should be looking at that are ignored or not given enough attention.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    We would spend a lot of tax money on this regulation How so? Are you thinking they would check every single model, or something like that? As far as I know, that's not how these regulations are enforced, they wait for complaints, then confirm the claims and fine the company.
    - TomMarius 8y ago
      How so? How not so? Do you know how lengthy the legislative process is in the EU and what needs to happen before a law is even voted on, and how much it costs?
      - icebraining 8y ago
        Oh. Alright, how much does it cost?
        eecc 8y ago