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Why would he have posted such trollish pictures of himself if he weren't? He got real serious suddenly when that nutter threatened his family.

covercash 8y ago
A real-life consequence for abhorrent behavior? I’m all for that. Maybe not quite that extreme, but I think public shaming of these people and their friends/family is acceptable. They don’t seem to respond to anything else these days.
- antt 8y ago
  A lesson the political and billionaire class have not learned is that when inequality gets as bad as what we have today the mob gets actual pitchforks and assassins start throwing bombs in your carriages and shooting at your motorcade. Repression follows, more assassinations happen, and then before you know it Serbian meddling in the Austro-Hungarian succession starts WWI. This is not limited to the countries ending in -ia in Central/Eastern Europe [0] [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_b... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing
  - oblio 8y ago
    It's not inequality. It's almost never pure inequality. It's poverty going below a specific threshold, usually hunger or homelessness. And when was there a movement like this in the US post-prosperity (WW2)? Your links are from 100 years ago.
    - phobosdeimos 8y ago
      Things got pretty bad during the Vietnam war. There is a reason why the draft was abolished.
      - oblio 8y ago
        Wasn't that because of the draft, though? That counts as "major" since you're being shipped off to be killed. But how likely is a new Vietnam? US involvement in wars doesn't require a draft anymore... My point, inequality itself is rarely the trigger. It needs to pass a limit, usually threatening livelihood. And it needs to be super widespread (think 20%+ of the population).
      - skate22 8y ago
        Males 18-25 still have to register for the draft, there are just enough voulenteers currently
    - stult 8y ago
      It's extreme economic shocks generally. As in sudden changes in economic conditions that lead to a rapid and pervasive decline in living conditions. It's clearly not any absolute level of poverty. The poverty level that will trigger war in Bangladesh is far lower than what would trigger war in the US. And a country at South Sudanese levels of poverty going to a slightly higher level of development (say Bangladeshi levels) wouldn't trigger conflict, even if they were still far worse off than levels that would trigger war in better off countries. But the absolute floor at which war (or widespread systemic violence and civil unrest at least) becomes almost inevitable is when people can no longer afford food. There have been a few studies that suggest a link between sudden increases in food prices and civil unrest and wars.
      - oblio 8y ago
        Yeah, you're right, that's probably the best description. Economic shocks or a handful of other shocks (such as forced enrollment in a risky endeavor, e.g. being drafted into the army).
    - ptaipale 8y ago
      The hungry and homeless generally don't involve in political violence. Terrorists arise from well-to-do middle class.
    - Retric 8y ago
      Their are over 1 million homeless people in the US in the average year. The issue is more when people that could not conceive of being homeless start to be homeless that you get revolutions.
  - wendy0x2 8y ago
    well, the lower/middle classes still haven't learned that the wealthy have the money to hire a private military if things ever get that bad. ..and with the push to make it harder and harder to get a gun to defend yourself, you will have no chance at winning.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    There are two things that prevent that - - politicians have been able to convince poor people that the “American Dream” is alive. That if you work hard you can become rich and you are just “temporarily poor”. - You would be better off if “they” weren’t taking your jobs.
    - antt 8y ago
      If we take everything you've said here as fact you have only explained why right wing white conservatives are not conducting assassinations against the Democrats. Mexican undocumented migrant laborers have none of those excuses yet they are not waging a campaign of terror against the GOP.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        It’s been the traditional Republican talking point st least since Reagan that you just “need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps” to get ahead. Even now, there is the mistaken belief of equal opportunity when statistics show that income mobility is not that great. (https://phys.org/news/2017-04-upward-mobility-fallen-sharply.html https://phys.org/news/2017-04-upward-mobility-fallen-sharply...). Republicans have been trying to sell “trickle down economics for thirty years - that if you cut taxes on the rich, not only will help the poor immediately, but when they get rich, it will help them too. Undocumented migrant labors don’t feel entitled to the “American Dream”, they wouldn’t be waging terror against the GOP. While Black people and affirmative action is no longer the scape goat for why rural America is suffering, now it’s illegal aliens and unfair trade practices.
  - smolder 8y ago
    Except none of that happens anymore because we built a prison around ourselves to prevent it. No one with anything to lose will resist.
- andrewflnr 8y ago
  No. Not friends and family. That's not how we get nice things.
- wendy0x2 8y ago
  It's funny that this only seems to be acceptable when non-liberals are in power.

covercash 8y ago

A real-life consequence for abhorrent behavior? I’m all for that. Maybe not quite that extreme, but I think public shaming of these people and their friends/family is acceptable. They don’t seem to respond to anything else these days.

antt 8y ago
A lesson the political and billionaire class have not learned is that when inequality gets as bad as what we have today the mob gets actual pitchforks and assassins start throwing bombs in your carriages and shooting at your motorcade. Repression follows, more assassinations happen, and then before you know it Serbian meddling in the Austro-Hungarian succession starts WWI. This is not limited to the countries ending in -ia in Central/Eastern Europe [0] [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_b... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing
- oblio 8y ago
  It's not inequality. It's almost never pure inequality. It's poverty going below a specific threshold, usually hunger or homelessness. And when was there a movement like this in the US post-prosperity (WW2)? Your links are from 100 years ago.
  - phobosdeimos 8y ago
    Things got pretty bad during the Vietnam war. There is a reason why the draft was abolished.
    - oblio 8y ago
      Wasn't that because of the draft, though? That counts as "major" since you're being shipped off to be killed. But how likely is a new Vietnam? US involvement in wars doesn't require a draft anymore... My point, inequality itself is rarely the trigger. It needs to pass a limit, usually threatening livelihood. And it needs to be super widespread (think 20%+ of the population).
    - skate22 8y ago
      Males 18-25 still have to register for the draft, there are just enough voulenteers currently
  - stult 8y ago
    It's extreme economic shocks generally. As in sudden changes in economic conditions that lead to a rapid and pervasive decline in living conditions. It's clearly not any absolute level of poverty. The poverty level that will trigger war in Bangladesh is far lower than what would trigger war in the US. And a country at South Sudanese levels of poverty going to a slightly higher level of development (say Bangladeshi levels) wouldn't trigger conflict, even if they were still far worse off than levels that would trigger war in better off countries. But the absolute floor at which war (or widespread systemic violence and civil unrest at least) becomes almost inevitable is when people can no longer afford food. There have been a few studies that suggest a link between sudden increases in food prices and civil unrest and wars.
    - oblio 8y ago
      Yeah, you're right, that's probably the best description. Economic shocks or a handful of other shocks (such as forced enrollment in a risky endeavor, e.g. being drafted into the army).
  - ptaipale 8y ago
    The hungry and homeless generally don't involve in political violence. Terrorists arise from well-to-do middle class.
  - Retric 8y ago
    Their are over 1 million homeless people in the US in the average year. The issue is more when people that could not conceive of being homeless start to be homeless that you get revolutions.
- wendy0x2 8y ago
  well, the lower/middle classes still haven't learned that the wealthy have the money to hire a private military if things ever get that bad. ..and with the push to make it harder and harder to get a gun to defend yourself, you will have no chance at winning.
- scarface74 8y ago
  There are two things that prevent that - - politicians have been able to convince poor people that the “American Dream” is alive. That if you work hard you can become rich and you are just “temporarily poor”. - You would be better off if “they” weren’t taking your jobs.
  - antt 8y ago
    If we take everything you've said here as fact you have only explained why right wing white conservatives are not conducting assassinations against the Democrats. Mexican undocumented migrant laborers have none of those excuses yet they are not waging a campaign of terror against the GOP.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      It’s been the traditional Republican talking point st least since Reagan that you just “need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps” to get ahead. Even now, there is the mistaken belief of equal opportunity when statistics show that income mobility is not that great. (https://phys.org/news/2017-04-upward-mobility-fallen-sharply.html https://phys.org/news/2017-04-upward-mobility-fallen-sharply...). Republicans have been trying to sell “trickle down economics for thirty years - that if you cut taxes on the rich, not only will help the poor immediately, but when they get rich, it will help them too. Undocumented migrant labors don’t feel entitled to the “American Dream”, they wouldn’t be waging terror against the GOP. While Black people and affirmative action is no longer the scape goat for why rural America is suffering, now it’s illegal aliens and unfair trade practices.
- smolder 8y ago
  Except none of that happens anymore because we built a prison around ourselves to prevent it. No one with anything to lose will resist.
andrewflnr 8y ago
No. Not friends and family. That's not how we get nice things.
wendy0x2 8y ago
It's funny that this only seems to be acceptable when non-liberals are in power.