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> FCC does nothing that citizens need or want done. I wanted net neutrality the first time it was implemented. I remember being excited about a few other regul

> FCC does nothing that citizens need or want done. I wanted net neutrality the first time it was implemented. I remember being excited about a few other regulations that the Wheeler FCC implemented.

jessaustin 8y ago
They "implemented" it a year before that president left office, knowing the next administration would roll it back. It didn't even actually get out of the courts, so the implementation never affected anything. A fairly cheap signal of virtue...
- wavefunction 8y ago
  Net neutrality is the origin and the genesis of the Internet. It's baked into TCP/IP with packet agnosticism the central and guiding principle. You've given into partisan ignorance and I can't fault you: it's typical of people all around the world to wrap themselves in comforting ignorance lest they be forced to exercise even a small portion of their brains. *And thanks for finally coming clean in your own regard. I realized who I replied to after I posted my own reply to your 'content.'
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Yes I'm partisan in that I'd like for us to be rid of both wings of the mainstream party. In the context of this thread "net neutrality" has been a regulation. Of course as a design consideration it is fundamental to how the internet is built, and of course it's an abomination that none of the ISPs available to me feel that way. I don't judge things by the marketing, FCC included. If FCC fixed any number of the many things they do wrong, I'd have to change my tune. I don't expect to have to do that... I'm not sure what other reply you're referencing.
- monocasa 8y ago
  That's a mischaracterization of what happened. Traditional telephone telecoms were always common carriers under Title II, and that applied to internet over dialup during the 90s. When broadband meant that internet connectivity was now being delivered via other medium, the FCC enforced what we now call net neutrality via a lighter regulatory scheme. Verizon ironically sued to get the courts to say that the FCC couldn't enforce the rules in a lighter scheme and therefore had to declare the new internet connectivity infrastructure to be full Title II common carriers to apply any of those rules to them. That court case ended in 2014, and so the FCC followed the court recommendation to apply the rules the were already enforcing. Long story short: there was never really a time with both consumer internet connectivity and no net neutrality, despite the right wing talking points that this is some new thing.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Thread parent specifically credited Wheeler. I assumed that was for what Wheeler did in 2015? In my opinion (of course everyone is welcome to her own!) that action was calculated for reversal. In fact the whole "our backs are to the wall since VZN sued us" kabuki performance was planned years in advance. Big telcos are plugged into the parts of USA government that don't face reelection. They can bring extraordinary pressure to bear on judges and bureaucrats. Nobody in that system wants thousands of wildcat WISPs dotting the countryside. I agree that the AM talk goofballs are full of shit on most things they say about the internet.
jack9 8y ago
> FCC does nothing that citizens need or want done. Keeping emergency bands clear is something the general populace wants done and frankly, needs done.

> FCC does nothing that citizens need or want done. I wanted net neutrality the first time it was implemented. I remember being excited about a few other regulations that the Wheeler FCC implemented.

jessaustin 8y ago

They "implemented" it a year before that president left office, knowing the next administration would roll it back. It didn't even actually get out of the courts, so the implementation never affected anything. A fairly cheap signal of virtue...

wavefunction 8y ago
Net neutrality is the origin and the genesis of the Internet. It's baked into TCP/IP with packet agnosticism the central and guiding principle. You've given into partisan ignorance and I can't fault you: it's typical of people all around the world to wrap themselves in comforting ignorance lest they be forced to exercise even a small portion of their brains. *And thanks for finally coming clean in your own regard. I realized who I replied to after I posted my own reply to your 'content.'
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Yes I'm partisan in that I'd like for us to be rid of both wings of the mainstream party. In the context of this thread "net neutrality" has been a regulation. Of course as a design consideration it is fundamental to how the internet is built, and of course it's an abomination that none of the ISPs available to me feel that way. I don't judge things by the marketing, FCC included. If FCC fixed any number of the many things they do wrong, I'd have to change my tune. I don't expect to have to do that... I'm not sure what other reply you're referencing.
monocasa 8y ago
That's a mischaracterization of what happened. Traditional telephone telecoms were always common carriers under Title II, and that applied to internet over dialup during the 90s. When broadband meant that internet connectivity was now being delivered via other medium, the FCC enforced what we now call net neutrality via a lighter regulatory scheme. Verizon ironically sued to get the courts to say that the FCC couldn't enforce the rules in a lighter scheme and therefore had to declare the new internet connectivity infrastructure to be full Title II common carriers to apply any of those rules to them. That court case ended in 2014, and so the FCC followed the court recommendation to apply the rules the were already enforcing. Long story short: there was never really a time with both consumer internet connectivity and no net neutrality, despite the right wing talking points that this is some new thing.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Thread parent specifically credited Wheeler. I assumed that was for what Wheeler did in 2015? In my opinion (of course everyone is welcome to her own!) that action was calculated for reversal. In fact the whole "our backs are to the wall since VZN sued us" kabuki performance was planned years in advance. Big telcos are plugged into the parts of USA government that don't face reelection. They can bring extraordinary pressure to bear on judges and bureaucrats. Nobody in that system wants thousands of wildcat WISPs dotting the countryside. I agree that the AM talk goofballs are full of shit on most things they say about the internet.

jack9 8y ago

> FCC does nothing that citizens need or want done. Keeping emergency bands clear is something the general populace wants done and frankly, needs done.