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If it wasn't clear, it was hyperbole... It's just my personal preference that in general I don't like using modifier keys at all, as I will often mangle things,

If it wasn't clear, it was hyperbole... It's just my personal preference that in general I don't like using modifier keys at all, as I will often mangle things, especially when switching between keyboards. The major factor though is the basic approach -- command by default, insert is sub-function (vi), vs. insert by default, command is sub-function (emacs). (I like to fiddle around and use the j/k or -/enter to move around in the file while I'm thinking w/o entering anything into the buffer...) I have respect for emacs die-hards - though I suppose that those who never leave and still do shell, email, news, web browsing, etc., from emacs are few and far between. As a lisp fan, the best of both worlds for me would probably be an emacs vi-mode with lisp programability - but I can't depend on such a thing everywhere

massysett 8y ago
You want evil-mode.
- lysium 8y ago
  Or spacemacs.
  - boomlinde 8y ago
    ... which uses needs evil-mode
    - rini17 8y ago
      Evilmode is useless for long-time vim users with muscle memory. Things such as different behavior of ?<Up> or /<Up> are frustrating. Also many popular plugins (such as orgmode) interfere with evilmode. And movement between windows. And there's not even a consistent keystroke to close a window in emacs, and evilmode's mapping of q muddies the situation even further.
      - boomlinde 8y ago
        I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I'm just pointing out that Spacemacs is not an alternative to evil-mode, since the latter is a fundamental part of the former.
        rini17 8y ago
        Never mind, my comment is a bit misplaced.
  - I_complete_me 8y ago
    I'm a long-term vim user but I felt the need to look into emacs to see what it had to offer. I messed about with various implementations of emacs until I found Spacemacs and then - may I quote Keats here? "Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes He star'd at the Pacific—and all his men Look'd at each other with a wild surmise— Silent, upon a peak in Darien." Substitute Spacemacs for Pacific and we're on the same page!

massysett 8y ago

You want evil-mode.

lysium 8y ago
Or spacemacs.
- boomlinde 8y ago
  ... which uses needs evil-mode
  - rini17 8y ago
    Evilmode is useless for long-time vim users with muscle memory. Things such as different behavior of ?<Up> or /<Up> are frustrating. Also many popular plugins (such as orgmode) interfere with evilmode. And movement between windows. And there's not even a consistent keystroke to close a window in emacs, and evilmode's mapping of q muddies the situation even further.
    - boomlinde 8y ago
      I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I'm just pointing out that Spacemacs is not an alternative to evil-mode, since the latter is a fundamental part of the former.
      - rini17 8y ago
        Never mind, my comment is a bit misplaced.
- I_complete_me 8y ago
  I'm a long-term vim user but I felt the need to look into emacs to see what it had to offer. I messed about with various implementations of emacs until I found Spacemacs and then - may I quote Keats here? "Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes He star'd at the Pacific—and all his men Look'd at each other with a wild surmise— Silent, upon a peak in Darien." Substitute Spacemacs for Pacific and we're on the same page!