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> For military, yes. For civil, that's going a bit too far into the dystopian realm. Destroying the devices might go a bit far, but there are plenty of jobs th

by flukus 8y ago

> For military, yes. For civil, that's going a bit too far into the dystopian realm. Destroying the devices might go a bit far, but there are plenty of jobs that require things like phones going into a drawer before a shift starts. Not everyone is always on all the time.

pferde 8y ago
I feel that for a lot of the IT workforce, the opposite (phone goes into a drawer when a shift ends, no constant unpaid onduty or evening answering of work e-mail) would be a good start, although not for security reasons.
- tjr225 8y ago
  This rings true for all of society. Who could have known there would be negative social implications to having an always-on, always-connected computer in your pocket?
pfranz 8y ago
I work in entertainment and security was moving in the direction of leaving your phone outside the building and using a isolated browser with no copy/paste. I was happy to switch jobs before I was required to do any of that. Those kinds of precautions were taken for specific, shorter projects, but I wasn't interested in doing that full time. Not sure if it's apocryphal, but I heard a company in Seattle (Starbucks?) had a policy of no visible tattoos. At some point there wasn't enough people to hire and they overturned the policy. I can see it playing out both ways.
- astura 8y ago
  >I heard a company in Seattle (Starbucks?) had a policy of no visible tattoos. The vast majority of companies had this policy up until about ~2005. I still remember being extremely surprised the first time I saw an employee with a nose ring working at CVS (around ~2005).
King-Aaron 8y ago
> there are plenty of jobs that require things like phones going into a drawer before a shift starts It honestly frustrates me that so many of my friends and family can't fathom this. They're all on their phones 24/7 and can't seem to handle the fact that my job requires me to (from their perspective) ignore them for eight-to-ten hours a day. Hell, back before mobiles it wasn't a problem to only call someone after hours, otherwise you'd get an answering machine.
- engi_nerd 8y ago
  I have done this, and also had to return a smartwatch that someone (very thoughtfully) gifted me, because I can't wear it at work. And if I can't wear it at work, it's not really going to be of enough use to justify keeping.
  - King-Aaron 8y ago
    Eh, I'd keep the smartwatch to be honest. I have a collection of nice watches, but only my G-Shock regularly comes with me to work because it's the only one I'd trust to survive the rough and tumble when I'm not in front of the computer. But it's nice to have a collection I think.
    - engi_nerd 8y ago
      I collect watches and have a G-Shock for similar purposes. I don't need it for work because I'm in a pretty sedate environment, but I wear it to work sometimes because I just like it.
bigiain 8y ago
I've got friends who work at places where company policy says that any electronics you travel to China with can never be connected to the corporate network again. They don't destroy the devices, but all travel phones/laptops are "burners" and get given away instead of ever used for work again.
- allthenews 8y ago
  Why? Couldn't you just format the drives if you were that paranoid? Are they worried about some kind of hardware bugging or sub OS exploits while the owner is not looking?
  - mohaine 8y ago
    Quite simply yes. A modern "computer" is made up of multiple layered CPUs and OSs at this point. WiFi, sound, ssd, GPU all often have embedded cpu and firmware that could get "enhanced" and survive a recore
    - bigiain 8y ago
      Hell - even the _batteries_ have embedded cpus and firmware... https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-19/dc-19-presentations/Miller/DEFCON-19-Miller-Battery-Firmware-Hacking.pdf https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-19/dc-19-presentations/... (Note slide 116 there - about 7 up from the end: "Attacking the OS kernel") https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2099616/black-hat-charlie-miller-explains-apple-battery-hack https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2099616/black-hat-charlie-mi... http://www.karosium.com/2016/08/smbusb-hacking-smart-batteries.html http://www.karosium.com/2016/08/smbusb-hacking-smart-batteri...
      - ridgeguy 8y ago
        In the end, if it runs code, you cannot trust it.
  - slowburning 8y ago
    You could reformat the drives but what if someone has infected the firmware on the drive? Check out: https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/04/hard-disk-firmware-hacking-part-1.html https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/04/hard-disk-firmware-hacki...
duxup 8y ago
A secure locker system should probabbly be the SOP for a lot of places.

by flukus 8y ago

pferde 8y ago

I feel that for a lot of the IT workforce, the opposite (phone goes into a drawer when a shift ends, no constant unpaid onduty or evening answering of work e-mail) would be a good start, although not for security reasons.

tjr225 8y ago
This rings true for all of society. Who could have known there would be negative social implications to having an always-on, always-connected computer in your pocket?

pfranz 8y ago

I work in entertainment and security was moving in the direction of leaving your phone outside the building and using a isolated browser with no copy/paste. I was happy to switch jobs before I was required to do any of that. Those kinds of precautions were taken for specific, shorter projects, but I wasn't interested in doing that full time. Not sure if it's apocryphal, but I heard a company in Seattle (Starbucks?) had a policy of no visible tattoos. At some point there wasn't enough people to hire and they overturned the policy. I can see it playing out both ways.

astura 8y ago
>I heard a company in Seattle (Starbucks?) had a policy of no visible tattoos. The vast majority of companies had this policy up until about ~2005. I still remember being extremely surprised the first time I saw an employee with a nose ring working at CVS (around ~2005).

King-Aaron 8y ago

> there are plenty of jobs that require things like phones going into a drawer before a shift starts It honestly frustrates me that so many of my friends and family can't fathom this. They're all on their phones 24/7 and can't seem to handle the fact that my job requires me to (from their perspective) ignore them for eight-to-ten hours a day. Hell, back before mobiles it wasn't a problem to only call someone after hours, otherwise you'd get an answering machine.

engi_nerd 8y ago
I have done this, and also had to return a smartwatch that someone (very thoughtfully) gifted me, because I can't wear it at work. And if I can't wear it at work, it's not really going to be of enough use to justify keeping.
- King-Aaron 8y ago
  Eh, I'd keep the smartwatch to be honest. I have a collection of nice watches, but only my G-Shock regularly comes with me to work because it's the only one I'd trust to survive the rough and tumble when I'm not in front of the computer. But it's nice to have a collection I think.
  - engi_nerd 8y ago
    I collect watches and have a G-Shock for similar purposes. I don't need it for work because I'm in a pretty sedate environment, but I wear it to work sometimes because I just like it.

bigiain 8y ago

I've got friends who work at places where company policy says that any electronics you travel to China with can never be connected to the corporate network again. They don't destroy the devices, but all travel phones/laptops are "burners" and get given away instead of ever used for work again.

allthenews 8y ago
Why? Couldn't you just format the drives if you were that paranoid? Are they worried about some kind of hardware bugging or sub OS exploits while the owner is not looking?
- mohaine 8y ago
  Quite simply yes. A modern "computer" is made up of multiple layered CPUs and OSs at this point. WiFi, sound, ssd, GPU all often have embedded cpu and firmware that could get "enhanced" and survive a recore
  - bigiain 8y ago
    Hell - even the _batteries_ have embedded cpus and firmware... https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-19/dc-19-presentations/Miller/DEFCON-19-Miller-Battery-Firmware-Hacking.pdf https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-19/dc-19-presentations/... (Note slide 116 there - about 7 up from the end: "Attacking the OS kernel") https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2099616/black-hat-charlie-miller-explains-apple-battery-hack https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2099616/black-hat-charlie-mi... http://www.karosium.com/2016/08/smbusb-hacking-smart-batteries.html http://www.karosium.com/2016/08/smbusb-hacking-smart-batteri...
    - ridgeguy 8y ago
      In the end, if it runs code, you cannot trust it.
- slowburning 8y ago
  You could reformat the drives but what if someone has infected the firmware on the drive? Check out: https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/04/hard-disk-firmware-hacking-part-1.html https://www.malwaretech.com/2015/04/hard-disk-firmware-hacki...

duxup 8y ago

A secure locker system should probabbly be the SOP for a lot of places.