> DBAs playing hardass without even trying to understand the need. Although the parent posed a caricature with "yelling", this is an even more extreme one. Th

> DBAs playing hardass without even trying to understand the need. Although the parent posed a caricature with "yelling", this is an even more extreme one. The "forcing" function merely requires a bit of "hardass" but not the willful ignorance you associate with it. At the risk of going true-scotsman, I believe that competent DBAs capable of the forcing function would already understand the need without trying. As such, I don't think there needs to be any kind of "medium" between two extremes of ignorance, but, rather, back to the GP's point, a reduction of ignorance in "what we have now". Of course, I don't believe hardass/yelling is the best way to achieve that, either, instead favoring (original) Devops culture, but that also doesn't work if Ops (including DBA) skills aren't recognized as valuable any more (and "Devops" just means "replace Ops with Devs").