> But they also stood firm against some of the more egregious standards that Microsoft were trying to push. Can you give a specific example? I'm not saying th

> But they also stood firm against some of the more egregious standards that Microsoft were trying to push. Can you give a specific example? I'm not saying this wasn't happening; I just can't recall a case where it really mattered much in the end, in the sense that the standard was being pushed by Microsoft _and_ wanted by web developers, but active Firefox opposition killed it. Now Firefox certainly _has_ done some things like that (e.g. pushing back on NaCl), but mostly by offering alternatives, not pushing back with just a "no". Because just saying "no" doesn't actually work that well in practice...