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the biggest Midwestern state by population is Illinois, which is blue, it is where both Lincoln and Obama came from. So, saying "Midwest is conservative", whil

the biggest Midwestern state by population is Illinois, which is blue, it is where both Lincoln and Obama came from. So, saying "Midwest is conservative", while the biggest state in the Midwest is actually liberal is kinda silly.

meddlepal 8y ago
Illinois is more purple than anything and it's trending red. It's purpleness is heavily buoyed by Chicago as a blue place.
- vasilipupkin 8y ago
  Chicago metropolitan area contains majority of Illinois population
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    Not all the counties in the greater Chicago area are blue, though. Cook County is just huge and overpowers everyone else. Chicago is going more blue while the rest of the state gets more red: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-illinois-president-results-20161108-htmlstory.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-illinois-presiden... This story is playing out across America.
    - vasilipupkin 8y ago
      not all, but 65% of the voters are blue. I mean, it doesn't get any more blue. Every blue or red state is like that, no state 100% homogeneous. for the purpose of this discussion Illinois is no less blue than any other blue state, so political conservatism has nothing to do with the startup situation.
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ryanwaggoner 8y ago
That’s a pretty silly framing, actually. One city doesn’t change the overall political persuasion of an entire region. Chicago is an outlier.
- vasilipupkin 8y ago
  No, it’s not. Minnesota is blue. Wisconsin is purple. Illinois is a solidly blue state and the biggest in the Midwest. Iowa is purple. Look at this map and tell me again Midwest is politically conservative ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/media/File%3ARed_state%2C_blue_state.svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/... Nonsense.
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ The vast majority of the counties across the Midwest are solidly red, even if the urban population centers are blue.
    - vasilipupkin 8y ago
      it doesn't matter how many counties, you have to look by population. some counties have very little population.
    - mi100hael 8y ago
      Trump carried WAY more counties in 2016 despite losing the popular vote. That alone should tell you the map isn't a good representation of overall sentiment. Plus, Trump v. Hillary isn't necessarily a good proxy for "conservative v. liberal."

meddlepal 8y ago

Illinois is more purple than anything and it's trending red. It's purpleness is heavily buoyed by Chicago as a blue place.

vasilipupkin 8y ago
Chicago metropolitan area contains majority of Illinois population
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  Not all the counties in the greater Chicago area are blue, though. Cook County is just huge and overpowers everyone else. Chicago is going more blue while the rest of the state gets more red: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-illinois-president-results-20161108-htmlstory.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-illinois-presiden... This story is playing out across America.
  - vasilipupkin 8y ago
    not all, but 65% of the voters are blue. I mean, it doesn't get any more blue. Every blue or red state is like that, no state 100% homogeneous. for the purpose of this discussion Illinois is no less blue than any other blue state, so political conservatism has nothing to do with the startup situation.
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ryanwaggoner 8y ago

That’s a pretty silly framing, actually. One city doesn’t change the overall political persuasion of an entire region. Chicago is an outlier.

vasilipupkin 8y ago
No, it’s not. Minnesota is blue. Wisconsin is purple. Illinois is a solidly blue state and the biggest in the Midwest. Iowa is purple. Look at this map and tell me again Midwest is politically conservative ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/media/File%3ARed_state%2C_blue_state.svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/... Nonsense.
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ The vast majority of the counties across the Midwest are solidly red, even if the urban population centers are blue.
  - vasilipupkin 8y ago
    it doesn't matter how many counties, you have to look by population. some counties have very little population.
  - mi100hael 8y ago
    Trump carried WAY more counties in 2016 despite losing the popular vote. That alone should tell you the map isn't a good representation of overall sentiment. Plus, Trump v. Hillary isn't necessarily a good proxy for "conservative v. liberal."