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People loved it when Apple did it which gave everyone else the okay to go ahead and do it themselves. It allows phone manafacturers to advertise higher screen t

by kcmp 8y ago

People loved it when Apple did it which gave everyone else the okay to go ahead and do it themselves. It allows phone manafacturers to advertise higher screen to body ratios and is really just a step in the progression towards bezelless phones. There's definitely a loud group of people who strongly dislike it but I think most people are okay with it

51Cards 8y ago
Just have to comment that for myself a notch would be a deal beaker for a new device. I've played with a couple devices and really think it adds no actual value while complicating the user interface. I will avoid it as long as I can.
- what_ever 8y ago
  How does it complicate the UI for you?
  - 51Cards 8y ago
    This link displays it best: https://www.techradar.com/news/android-p-only-has-space-for-four-notifications-icons-to-make-you-hate-notches-even-more https://www.techradar.com/news/android-p-only-has-space-for-... In short there is a 4 notification icon limit now with the clock on the left, whether you have a notch or not. I often have a lot more than 4 notification icons up (esp since a couple are permanent from background apps) and the rest will just disappear under a dot-dot icon.
    - Fnoord 8y ago
      Wait. Everything has notch support, even if the device doesn't have a notch? That's odd, right? Given the notch is still an exception? Although they could make the status icons (top) tilt 90 degrees so they are usable from within landscape yet remain on their position
      - 51Cards 8y ago
        Yep, seems the compromises they have made for notches are global across all devices which to me is a UI mistake.
scarface74 8y ago
People didn’t “love it” they tolerated it
- Fnoord 8y ago
  Because it is a trade off between the largest, consistent screen size, having a front camera, and a notch (that's how we call it, this is the first time I see the term cutoff). I dislike the notch, but it isn't very annoying. You still got your status stuff on the top left and right. However, if I'd be having my device in landscape it'd thoroughly annoy me no matter what. It destroys the device symmetry!! However landscape is a niche for me; I don't watch many videos. I do think your comment hits the nail though. Apple gets away with all kind of innovations: TouchBar, butterfly keyboard, no 3.5 mm...
  - scarface74 8y ago
    The notch is in a separate category. It was definitely a natural necessary technical compromise. For ergonomic reasons, a phone can only be so large, but you also want the screen as large as possible. There is an argument to be made for getting rid of the headphone jack to increase the room available in the phone. The butterfly keyboard was an unnecessary attempt at thinness. The laptop did not need to be thinner for ergonomic reasons. The touchbsr generates a lot of nerd rage but most people don’t really care about the function keys.
    - Fnoord 8y ago
      Some phones which had 3.5mm jack removed have been opened; they actually easily had room for the jack.
userbinator 8y ago
the progression towards bezelless phones I hope not. The bezel has a very real purpose: a place to hold it without your fingers interfering with the screen, whether by activating a touch or just plain blocking the view. I have an older Android with ~5mm of bezel on all the sides and ~8mm of thickness, and trying to get a good grip while not activating or blocking the screen is hard enough. I remember being handed an iPhone 6, and trying not to drop it was the most difficult part. Holding something that thin is just not comfortable, as is trying to pick it up off a flat surface.
- SkyPuncher 8y ago
  I use to agree, but I would except most devices to account for this. I'd except a virtual bezel or software controlled dead space around the edge of the phone. You'd basically push buttons and the status bar into the bezel, then use the sides much like the Galaxy Edge does.
- dannyw 8y ago
  I've never had, or heard of this been a problem with the iPhone X, and I know plenty of people who use it with a case or without a case.
scns 8y ago
Essential Phone had a notch before Apple. Didn't have Apple's Mindshare though.

by kcmp 8y ago

51Cards 8y ago

Just have to comment that for myself a notch would be a deal beaker for a new device. I've played with a couple devices and really think it adds no actual value while complicating the user interface. I will avoid it as long as I can.

what_ever 8y ago
How does it complicate the UI for you?
- 51Cards 8y ago
  This link displays it best: https://www.techradar.com/news/android-p-only-has-space-for-four-notifications-icons-to-make-you-hate-notches-even-more https://www.techradar.com/news/android-p-only-has-space-for-... In short there is a 4 notification icon limit now with the clock on the left, whether you have a notch or not. I often have a lot more than 4 notification icons up (esp since a couple are permanent from background apps) and the rest will just disappear under a dot-dot icon.
  - Fnoord 8y ago
    Wait. Everything has notch support, even if the device doesn't have a notch? That's odd, right? Given the notch is still an exception? Although they could make the status icons (top) tilt 90 degrees so they are usable from within landscape yet remain on their position
    - 51Cards 8y ago
      Yep, seems the compromises they have made for notches are global across all devices which to me is a UI mistake.

scarface74 8y ago

People didn’t “love it” they tolerated it

Fnoord 8y ago
Because it is a trade off between the largest, consistent screen size, having a front camera, and a notch (that's how we call it, this is the first time I see the term cutoff). I dislike the notch, but it isn't very annoying. You still got your status stuff on the top left and right. However, if I'd be having my device in landscape it'd thoroughly annoy me no matter what. It destroys the device symmetry!! However landscape is a niche for me; I don't watch many videos. I do think your comment hits the nail though. Apple gets away with all kind of innovations: TouchBar, butterfly keyboard, no 3.5 mm...
- scarface74 8y ago
  The notch is in a separate category. It was definitely a natural necessary technical compromise. For ergonomic reasons, a phone can only be so large, but you also want the screen as large as possible. There is an argument to be made for getting rid of the headphone jack to increase the room available in the phone. The butterfly keyboard was an unnecessary attempt at thinness. The laptop did not need to be thinner for ergonomic reasons. The touchbsr generates a lot of nerd rage but most people don’t really care about the function keys.
  - Fnoord 8y ago
    Some phones which had 3.5mm jack removed have been opened; they actually easily had room for the jack.

userbinator 8y ago

the progression towards bezelless phones I hope not. The bezel has a very real purpose: a place to hold it without your fingers interfering with the screen, whether by activating a touch or just plain blocking the view. I have an older Android with ~5mm of bezel on all the sides and ~8mm of thickness, and trying to get a good grip while not activating or blocking the screen is hard enough. I remember being handed an iPhone 6, and trying not to drop it was the most difficult part. Holding something that thin is just not comfortable, as is trying to pick it up off a flat surface.

SkyPuncher 8y ago
I use to agree, but I would except most devices to account for this. I'd except a virtual bezel or software controlled dead space around the edge of the phone. You'd basically push buttons and the status bar into the bezel, then use the sides much like the Galaxy Edge does.
dannyw 8y ago
I've never had, or heard of this been a problem with the iPhone X, and I know plenty of people who use it with a case or without a case.

scns 8y ago

Essential Phone had a notch before Apple. Didn't have Apple's Mindshare though.