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The likely argument would be that within the TOS or elsewhere there is (broad) language granting them the ability to do so. Of course, because users dutifully a

The likely argument would be that within the TOS or elsewhere there is (broad) language granting them the ability to do so. Of course, because users dutifully accept/sign the documentation placed in front of them, such practices are legal, at least until users 1) strike such language from the contracts before consummating the relationship(s); or 2) successfully challenge such practices in court. However, users have most likely also agreed to settle their disputes in arbitration, thus waiving their right(s) to sue (in court). So, really the should be reverting to option 1 if they are going to "use" such services.

inetknght 8y ago
Please tell me how to strike such language from any electronically-presented contract whatsoever.
mortenjorck 8y ago
I am approximately 100% certain that attempting to modify the contract you sign with a retail bank (short of being a private-client customer) will be met with an offer to consider other banks that might have a contract you agree with.
jsoc815 8y ago
Ah, down voted for provided facts again. Excellent. To mortenjorck and inetknght, I've not said that the typical individual user would have an easy go of things. What I did do was present options for userS to employ, en masse, in attempts to effect the changes they desire. It's funny to me how people bother to coordinate efforts for all sorts of essentially meaningless events, but when it comes to things that they profess are important they suddenly decide that they'll wait around for someone (who probably doesn't have their best interests at heart) to swoop in and do the hard work for them. To borrow from a post above "don't ask me how I know" but, your elected officials and "regulators" are unlikely to change these things unless business needs or public sentiment require it. That leaves the onus on you to make it happen. If you don't like the terms presented to you by a service provider, try to negotiate them anyway. If the provider is unwilling to accommodate, go elsewhere. Worst case scenario, create your own solution. Isn't that one of the big things about this whole tech/hacker scene, creating solutions to unaddressed pain points? And to the simpler question about striking language from electronic contracts, try paper(?) or making a PDF and amending it(?) You'd be surprised what serves as a passable solution because, as someone mentioned in another thread, a lot of people just don't put much effort into their work. I now humbly await your down votes.

inetknght 8y ago

Please tell me how to strike such language from any electronically-presented contract whatsoever.

mortenjorck 8y ago

I am approximately 100% certain that attempting to modify the contract you sign with a retail bank (short of being a private-client customer) will be met with an offer to consider other banks that might have a contract you agree with.

jsoc815 8y ago

Ah, down voted for provided facts again. Excellent. To mortenjorck and inetknght, I've not said that the typical individual user would have an easy go of things. What I did do was present options for userS to employ, en masse, in attempts to effect the changes they desire. It's funny to me how people bother to coordinate efforts for all sorts of essentially meaningless events, but when it comes to things that they profess are important they suddenly decide that they'll wait around for someone (who probably doesn't have their best interests at heart) to swoop in and do the hard work for them. To borrow from a post above "don't ask me how I know" but, your elected officials and "regulators" are unlikely to change these things unless business needs or public sentiment require it. That leaves the onus on you to make it happen. If you don't like the terms presented to you by a service provider, try to negotiate them anyway. If the provider is unwilling to accommodate, go elsewhere. Worst case scenario, create your own solution. Isn't that one of the big things about this whole tech/hacker scene, creating solutions to unaddressed pain points? And to the simpler question about striking language from electronic contracts, try paper(?) or making a PDF and amending it(?) You'd be surprised what serves as a passable solution because, as someone mentioned in another thread, a lot of people just don't put much effort into their work. I now humbly await your down votes.