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>enabling more people to drop out of the labor force for unenjoyable jobs. >unenjoyable jobs What an odd concept. Only in the last few decades have people eve

>enabling more people to drop out of the labor force for unenjoyable jobs. >unenjoyable jobs What an odd concept. Only in the last few decades have people even been taught the concept to pick a job you 'enjoy'. I'm wondering if every human had the option to get UBI or work, what they would choose. In a heart beat I'd trade my 9-5 that pays over 6 figures to never have to work again. I think its also worth mentioning that humans are doing so well, that maybe UBI isnt needed. Homes/food/transportation etc... are all the cheapest in human history. Ive already noticed that I could potentially retire in the next few years.

avgDev 8y ago
You are wrong. Homes are not the cheapest in the human history. As we are close to the 2007 housing bubble home prices. Here's a source with home price to income ratio. http://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-income-ratio/ http://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-incom... US healthcare cost is exploding. Food prices are actually going up. Transportation is a tough one, as it may include different modes of transportation, some did get cheaper.
- mkirklions 8y ago
  My expertise is food prices, google Calories Per Dollar. Thats my website. If you are going to claim food prices have gone up, you are talking about government caused inflation. I find the home situation the easiest to find a counterpoint, so we will only argue about definitions. Per sq footage, its the cheapest. If you try hard enough, you can find a way to be correct. Change the metric, make it so only 1 person can live per home, and pick a city that is getting popular rather than the rural midwest with roommates. I'm going to side with you on healthcare, the entire field is corrupt and abusing customers to line their own pockets. This is a corruption issue rather than a scarcity issue.
JDiculous 8y ago
I don't think it's an odd concept to strive for robots to do the drudgery while freeing humans to live their lives how they wish. > In a heart beat I'd trade my 9-5 that pays over 6 figures to never have to work again. > Ive already noticed that I could potentially retire in the next few years. Great. You have a comfortable amount of savings and could probably continue to maintain a relatively decent quality of life without your job. Many others would love to take that 6 figure job off your back. In the end, you will be better off by being able to retire early and live a life of leisure, and the new worker will be better off because they now get to work a well-paying job that they want more than you. Housing is most definitely not the cheapest in human history, have you seen San Francisco, NYC, London, or hell any major metropolitan city? The U.S. also saddles its citizens with student loan debt and absurdly expensive healthcare.
- krapp 8y ago
  > I don't think it's an odd concept to strive for robots to do the drudgery while freeing humans to live their lives how they wish. It's not odd, but it is naive, given that the purpose of automation isn't to eliminate drudgery and free humans to greater personal fulfillment and freedom, it's to capture the value of labor while eliminating human employment. The need for those humans "freed" by robots to work will remain constant, but the work available and the value of their labor will only ever decrease over time. While it would be nice to strive for the idealistic scenario you describe, the truth is no one with the power to make it a reality is actually striving for it. Certainly not governments or the corporations implementing the transition from human to automated labor en masse.

avgDev 8y ago

You are wrong. Homes are not the cheapest in the human history. As we are close to the 2007 housing bubble home prices. Here's a source with home price to income ratio. http://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-income-ratio/ http://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-median-annual-incom... US healthcare cost is exploding. Food prices are actually going up. Transportation is a tough one, as it may include different modes of transportation, some did get cheaper.

mkirklions 8y ago
My expertise is food prices, google Calories Per Dollar. Thats my website. If you are going to claim food prices have gone up, you are talking about government caused inflation. I find the home situation the easiest to find a counterpoint, so we will only argue about definitions. Per sq footage, its the cheapest. If you try hard enough, you can find a way to be correct. Change the metric, make it so only 1 person can live per home, and pick a city that is getting popular rather than the rural midwest with roommates. I'm going to side with you on healthcare, the entire field is corrupt and abusing customers to line their own pockets. This is a corruption issue rather than a scarcity issue.

JDiculous 8y ago

I don't think it's an odd concept to strive for robots to do the drudgery while freeing humans to live their lives how they wish. > In a heart beat I'd trade my 9-5 that pays over 6 figures to never have to work again. > Ive already noticed that I could potentially retire in the next few years. Great. You have a comfortable amount of savings and could probably continue to maintain a relatively decent quality of life without your job. Many others would love to take that 6 figure job off your back. In the end, you will be better off by being able to retire early and live a life of leisure, and the new worker will be better off because they now get to work a well-paying job that they want more than you. Housing is most definitely not the cheapest in human history, have you seen San Francisco, NYC, London, or hell any major metropolitan city? The U.S. also saddles its citizens with student loan debt and absurdly expensive healthcare.

krapp 8y ago
> I don't think it's an odd concept to strive for robots to do the drudgery while freeing humans to live their lives how they wish. It's not odd, but it is naive, given that the purpose of automation isn't to eliminate drudgery and free humans to greater personal fulfillment and freedom, it's to capture the value of labor while eliminating human employment. The need for those humans "freed" by robots to work will remain constant, but the work available and the value of their labor will only ever decrease over time. While it would be nice to strive for the idealistic scenario you describe, the truth is no one with the power to make it a reality is actually striving for it. Certainly not governments or the corporations implementing the transition from human to automated labor en masse.