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Disappointed that Macron is following the old french playbook here. Was under the impression that he was a more of a liberal guy. Unfortunately german conserva

Disappointed that Macron is following the old french playbook here. Was under the impression that he was a more of a liberal guy. Unfortunately german conservatives are useless when it comes to internet regulation (see "Mitstörerhaftung", making platforms and operators of wifi access points liable if their users commit crimes), not sure how much resistance can be expected.

zaarn 8y ago
Mitstörerhaftung has lost it's bite, the latest court ruling makes network operators not responsible if someone commits a crime over their network. You might still get slapped with an order to block these sites but otherwise it's harmless now.
- MrBuddyCasino 8y ago
  True, yet they stuck to it for years despite widespread resistance and mockery. This will not be forgotten so easily.
delecti 8y ago
> Mitstörerhaftung Without knowing anything about what that is, I'm having a lot of trouble looking up anything about what that is. Most of the links about that seem to be in German, and the ones in English are talking about it too tangentially to get any meaning from context clues.
- Tomte 8y ago
  It's a general legal concept that is mostly famous in one application: people having open (non password-protected) WiFis were considered to have full liability if some user misused their WiFi breaking copyright laws. The conservatives and social-democrats finally got around to kill this by law (although there are some fine details that are still not good), and the highest court basically affirmed this change, applying it even retroactively. But grandparent is not proposing a coherent argument, he's just expressing his dislike for the conservative party.
- zaarn 8y ago
  Mitstörerhaftung ("co-disturber liability") in German law means that if you enable someone being a disturbance then you might get slapped too. In relation to Wifi, this so far meant that if someone torrented a movie or uploaded music without license over your wifi, you'll get a free court visit too and possibly a fine. That made operating an open and free wifi hotspot a legally fairly risky problem (lots of free wifi here still has very aggressive content filtering). The law responsible was discontinued in october last year. This has been recently confirmed by the BGH (some high court in germany, the case was from before the law was ended but the changed law was taken into consideration), though you're not entirely off; the court can rule that you need to install a site filter and prevent torrenting or even put up a password on your wifi if there is too much disturbance caused by activity on your hotspot.

zaarn 8y ago

Mitstörerhaftung has lost it's bite, the latest court ruling makes network operators not responsible if someone commits a crime over their network. You might still get slapped with an order to block these sites but otherwise it's harmless now.

MrBuddyCasino 8y ago
True, yet they stuck to it for years despite widespread resistance and mockery. This will not be forgotten so easily.

delecti 8y ago

> Mitstörerhaftung Without knowing anything about what that is, I'm having a lot of trouble looking up anything about what that is. Most of the links about that seem to be in German, and the ones in English are talking about it too tangentially to get any meaning from context clues.

Tomte 8y ago
It's a general legal concept that is mostly famous in one application: people having open (non password-protected) WiFis were considered to have full liability if some user misused their WiFi breaking copyright laws. The conservatives and social-democrats finally got around to kill this by law (although there are some fine details that are still not good), and the highest court basically affirmed this change, applying it even retroactively. But grandparent is not proposing a coherent argument, he's just expressing his dislike for the conservative party.
zaarn 8y ago
Mitstörerhaftung ("co-disturber liability") in German law means that if you enable someone being a disturbance then you might get slapped too. In relation to Wifi, this so far meant that if someone torrented a movie or uploaded music without license over your wifi, you'll get a free court visit too and possibly a fine. That made operating an open and free wifi hotspot a legally fairly risky problem (lots of free wifi here still has very aggressive content filtering). The law responsible was discontinued in october last year. This has been recently confirmed by the BGH (some high court in germany, the case was from before the law was ended but the changed law was taken into consideration), though you're not entirely off; the court can rule that you need to install a site filter and prevent torrenting or even put up a password on your wifi if there is too much disturbance caused by activity on your hotspot.