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Well, so much for sunlight being the best disinfectant. You just know Alex will use the deplatforming to "prove" that the globalists are after him, or somethin

Well, so much for sunlight being the best disinfectant. You just know Alex will use the deplatforming to "prove" that the globalists are after him, or something like that. Might have been better to ignore him instead of Apple getting into the game of deciding what is and isn't hate speech. (Does NY Times hiring an openly racist editor make them subject to removal? Who knows...but somebody will start making that argument now that the door is open.)

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rtpg 8y ago
The BS crisis actor narrative and conspiracies pushed by Jones are not the null hypothesis , it's actively pushed by them. If you take away the mic, there's nothing left to disinfect. It's the formation of conspiracy believing, self-reinforcing cults that cause these narratives to begin with
joshgel 8y ago
Doesn't it mean that it's much harder for 'casual' listeners to find him? Like every show there are likely hardcore listeners (who will still find him) and a spectrum of less committed listeners (along that spectrum is a point where people will just stop listening)
zaarn 8y ago
Alex Jones is sadly closer to a religious cult than something desinfectable. There is a line somewhere in between, it's rather blurry but at some point sunlight no longer work and the best option is to nuke it. (I don't think this is generally true for everything the alt-right says, a lot of it can be desinfected with sunlight, so to speak)
neotek 8y ago
Yet again everyone rushes to the defence of fascists. If history has taught us anything it’s that giving fascists a platform is never, ever the solution, you can never reason with them, you can never argue them out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into, and they will always use your kindness as a weapon against you. There is no value in anyone giving people like Alex Jones a platform, all you are doing is giving him wider access to people who will be swayed by his idiotic ramblings. It shouldn’t even require saying; how do you think he has such a large following in the first place? Do you think he’s been unchallenged up to this point? Do you think the counter arguments have had any effect on his base? Do you think the sort of person who ends up falling for a dickhead like Jones is even capable of understanding the arguments against his position? Stop protecting fascists, open a history book.
- ErikHuisman 8y ago
  You think suppressing speech is a great way to combat "fascism"? The irony.
  - jackweirdy 8y ago
    It's not ironic, it is the Paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
    - ErikHuisman 8y ago
      "I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise." - Karl Popper
      - Cthulhu_ 8y ago
        Great in theory, in practice, channels like infowars are using irrational arguments and keep using them; you'll never see the rational counter arguments in their broadcasts. I mean to bring up facism again, there were valid rational counter-arguments to the nazi's arguments, but because they owned the media nobody saw them and those that published them were squashed. Same thing is still happening all over the place.
    - hhjinks 8y ago
      Ignoring the fact that the paradox of intolerance is the mother of all slippery slope arguments, letting a fascist speak is not the same as "being tolerant without limit". If your people are turning fascist, it's not because of a clown on itunes, it's because you've failed to provide sufficient education and opportunity to self-actualize to your population. Fascism doesn't grow where fascists speak, it grows where people are hateful and disenfranchised. That's not to say I want Alex to stay. Good riddance. I just don't like the paradox of intolerance.
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DanBC 8y ago
> Apple getting into the game of deciding what is and isn't hate speech. They're not doing that. They're getting into the game of what does, or does not, comply with their acceptable use policy. It's nice to see some companies actually applying these policies.
- amaccuish 8y ago
  Don't know why you're being downvoted. People seem to be so arrogant as to believe every platform must be a bastion for some unachievable ideal of "free speech".
  - swebs 8y ago
    Because as anyone who has read the article can see, Apple specifically used the term "hate speech".
    - amaccuish 8y ago
      > "we have clear guidelines that creators and developers must follow to ensure we provide a safe environment for all of our users" They have guidelines. He broke them. End of.

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rtpg 8y ago

The BS crisis actor narrative and conspiracies pushed by Jones are not the null hypothesis , it's actively pushed by them. If you take away the mic, there's nothing left to disinfect. It's the formation of conspiracy believing, self-reinforcing cults that cause these narratives to begin with

joshgel 8y ago

Doesn't it mean that it's much harder for 'casual' listeners to find him? Like every show there are likely hardcore listeners (who will still find him) and a spectrum of less committed listeners (along that spectrum is a point where people will just stop listening)

zaarn 8y ago

Alex Jones is sadly closer to a religious cult than something desinfectable. There is a line somewhere in between, it's rather blurry but at some point sunlight no longer work and the best option is to nuke it. (I don't think this is generally true for everything the alt-right says, a lot of it can be desinfected with sunlight, so to speak)

neotek 8y ago

Yet again everyone rushes to the defence of fascists. If history has taught us anything it’s that giving fascists a platform is never, ever the solution, you can never reason with them, you can never argue them out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into, and they will always use your kindness as a weapon against you. There is no value in anyone giving people like Alex Jones a platform, all you are doing is giving him wider access to people who will be swayed by his idiotic ramblings. It shouldn’t even require saying; how do you think he has such a large following in the first place? Do you think he’s been unchallenged up to this point? Do you think the counter arguments have had any effect on his base? Do you think the sort of person who ends up falling for a dickhead like Jones is even capable of understanding the arguments against his position? Stop protecting fascists, open a history book.

ErikHuisman 8y ago
You think suppressing speech is a great way to combat "fascism"? The irony.
- jackweirdy 8y ago
  It's not ironic, it is the Paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
  - ErikHuisman 8y ago
    "I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise." - Karl Popper
    - Cthulhu_ 8y ago
      Great in theory, in practice, channels like infowars are using irrational arguments and keep using them; you'll never see the rational counter arguments in their broadcasts. I mean to bring up facism again, there were valid rational counter-arguments to the nazi's arguments, but because they owned the media nobody saw them and those that published them were squashed. Same thing is still happening all over the place.
  - hhjinks 8y ago
    Ignoring the fact that the paradox of intolerance is the mother of all slippery slope arguments, letting a fascist speak is not the same as "being tolerant without limit". If your people are turning fascist, it's not because of a clown on itunes, it's because you've failed to provide sufficient education and opportunity to self-actualize to your population. Fascism doesn't grow where fascists speak, it grows where people are hateful and disenfranchised. That's not to say I want Alex to stay. Good riddance. I just don't like the paradox of intolerance.
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DanBC 8y ago

> Apple getting into the game of deciding what is and isn't hate speech. They're not doing that. They're getting into the game of what does, or does not, comply with their acceptable use policy. It's nice to see some companies actually applying these policies.

amaccuish 8y ago
Don't know why you're being downvoted. People seem to be so arrogant as to believe every platform must be a bastion for some unachievable ideal of "free speech".
- swebs 8y ago
  Because as anyone who has read the article can see, Apple specifically used the term "hate speech".
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    > "we have clear guidelines that creators and developers must follow to ensure we provide a safe environment for all of our users" They have guidelines. He broke them. End of.