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In my office, I have a lot of hardware. With my door shut, it gets to be an oven even with air conditioning, with the door open it’s still hot, even though the
by briandear 8y ago
In my office, I have a lot of hardware. With my door shut, it gets to be an oven even with air conditioning, with the door open it’s still hot, even though the hallway temp is 68. I actually like it cold inside. You can always wear more clothes, but there is a limit to how much you can take off. It’s pretty unfair to impose hot temperatures on people since there isn’t much that can be done after you’ve stripped down to the bare essentials of clothing. But colder temperatures — it’s easy to wear a light sweater.
78 in the building along with hot computers means you are quickly going to have a rather uncomfortable situation.
The fact this company has to adjust work hours to accommodate their “progressiveness” means they actually haven’t solved anything. It’s just virtue signaling. They could just as easily have their team work nights to get the same effect — but then they wouldn’t get media attention for just how innovative they are. Windows open in California means you also subject yourself to wildfire particulates, smog and other pollutants that HVAC systems mitigate. “Fresh air” is nice — when it’s actually fresh, and in most cities, it isn’t. Even Paris has had serious air quality situations. City air just isn’t all that clean. In Beijing, “fresh air” is downright toxic. I am not sure how eliminating air conditioning is considered an innovation. Air conditioning was one of the most important inventions, anyone that says otherwise never spent any time in an un-air-conditioned New Orleans house with box fans creating a cross breeze of 100% humidity. The nostalgia for the good old days is felt by those that never had to live through those days.
This story reads to me like nonsense. Seattle, while it can get “hot” is positively frigid when compared to much of the rest of the country. Try that in Atlanta, Houston or Arizona. This story is the equivalent of a Miami building being built without heating — it isn’t any kind of groundbreaking innovation. When a building in Minnesota is built without heat, then I might be interested.
What’s really innovative is how Apple Park handles fresh air and HVAC. Apple Park isn’t 78 degrees inside — it’s much cooler; they went far beyond the “innovation” in this Seattle building. This sort of innovation can be done, but being proud of a 78 degree internal temperature is like being proud when someone’s kid stops wetting the bed at age 12. It’s only a big deal to those who are experiencing it, but to the rest of us, it’s just self-congratulatory bullshit of the most mundane sort: big deal, you designed a building that isn’t quite at hot as the outdoors using groundbreaking technology that is equivalent to an open window.
- hinkley 8y agoGet yourself one of those fans that can point straight at the ceiling. Stick it near your door, but out of the way, and you can siphon in a bunch of that cold air from the hallway. Cold air sinks.
- txcwpalpha 8y agoAll of your comparisons to buildings or temperature or air quality in California, Paris, Beijing, etc are irrelevant, because we aren't talking about a building in those places, or even a building with an environment similar to those places. This story is about a building in Seattle. I don't know why you seem to be so riled up about this building. Why can't you read an article about a building that is achieving sustainability in an interesting way without being triggered by it? Sure, it has it's characteristics that some people might not prefer, but it's nothing to get so upset over.
- greedo 8y agoWhat's sustainable about this building? We don't know the TCO through its lifecycle, nor its energy usage. And all those inefficient desktop fans can't help.
- txcwpalpha 8y agoDid you read the article? It says it uses about half of the electricity of a normal office building.
- greedo 8y agoAnd it has less usable space for an office building. And is it comparing an office with AC turned to 78 degrees, or a standard office set to 68...
- selimthegrim 8y agoChecking in from an un-airconditioned New Orleans house with a window unit or two. Missing the transoms that got taken out in the renovation. Good thing I'm moving out.