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"there's a lot we don't really understand at all about the immune system" This, exactly this, is how the anti-vax movement exists! It is amazing how lay people

"there's a lot we don't really understand at all about the immune system" This, exactly this, is how the anti-vax movement exists! It is amazing how lay people will just dismiss the research and conclusions of an entire field of science with a handwave and an argument-less quip. Maybe you'd be more upset if you had a child that got sick in an area where vaccination rates were low. Or if you had a child that had actual, real, medical reasons why they couldn't receive the immunization and need to rely on herd immunity for their literal survival.

alexandercrohde 8y ago
I'm not dismissing anything. I didn't say the science is or isn't true, I didn't say I would or wouldn't vaccinate. What I'm pointing out is that the side that says it knows, historically, has been wrong a lot more than we recognize. >> Maybe you'd be more upset if you had a child that got sick in an area where vaccination rates were low. Or if you had a child that had actual, real, medical reasons why they couldn't receive the immunization and need to rely on herd immunity for their literal survival. Of course I'd be upset in those circumstances, I'm not sure what your point is. Is it that we all need to get angry on the internet to save little kids? Because I'll tell you right now that's the least effective way to try to bring anybody to your side.
- albertgoeswoof 8y ago
  No. Historically, particularly in recent times, medicine has been more right than wrong when giving out advice. Generally speaking if you ask for medical advice from a qualified person it will be good advice. You’re cherry picking specific scenarios where a recommendation was given that was later proven incorrect. There is no evidence to suggest vaccines are going to be one of those scenarios. What we do know is that not vaccinating will lead to unnecessary deaths and serious illnesses.
  - alexandercrohde 8y ago
    >> Historically, particularly in recent times, medicine has been more right than wrong when giving out advice. Source?
    - albertgoeswoof 8y ago
      You’re seriously asking for a citation of whether medical advice is effective?
      - alexandercrohde 8y ago
        Oh, I thought you were purporting to be an advocate of science. Should we not use the scientific method to measure what percentage of the time medical diagnoses are wrong, medicines are withdrawn after being prescribed, and health outcomes of those born at home versus born at the hospital?

alexandercrohde 8y ago

I'm not dismissing anything. I didn't say the science is or isn't true, I didn't say I would or wouldn't vaccinate. What I'm pointing out is that the side that says it knows, historically, has been wrong a lot more than we recognize. >> Maybe you'd be more upset if you had a child that got sick in an area where vaccination rates were low. Or if you had a child that had actual, real, medical reasons why they couldn't receive the immunization and need to rely on herd immunity for their literal survival. Of course I'd be upset in those circumstances, I'm not sure what your point is. Is it that we all need to get angry on the internet to save little kids? Because I'll tell you right now that's the least effective way to try to bring anybody to your side.

albertgoeswoof 8y ago
No. Historically, particularly in recent times, medicine has been more right than wrong when giving out advice. Generally speaking if you ask for medical advice from a qualified person it will be good advice. You’re cherry picking specific scenarios where a recommendation was given that was later proven incorrect. There is no evidence to suggest vaccines are going to be one of those scenarios. What we do know is that not vaccinating will lead to unnecessary deaths and serious illnesses.
- alexandercrohde 8y ago
  >> Historically, particularly in recent times, medicine has been more right than wrong when giving out advice. Source?
  - albertgoeswoof 8y ago
    You’re seriously asking for a citation of whether medical advice is effective?
    - alexandercrohde 8y ago
      Oh, I thought you were purporting to be an advocate of science. Should we not use the scientific method to measure what percentage of the time medical diagnoses are wrong, medicines are withdrawn after being prescribed, and health outcomes of those born at home versus born at the hospital?