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While I do fully believe in the benefits of vaccination, and am vaccinated for many things myself, I do think it's very important to question the formulations o

While I do fully believe in the benefits of vaccination, and am vaccinated for many things myself, I do think it's very important to question the formulations of certain vaccines. I mean, a lot of vaccines are made in China and other places that have lackluster health and safety standards. Just this past week, China has been in an uproar over tainted vaccines. There is legitimate cause to be wary of whats included within certain vaccine formulations, despite the science underlying vaccination being sound.

danieltillett 8y ago
Which vaccines used in western countries are made in China? You wouldn't just be saying this without evidence would you?
dogma1138 8y ago
Most vaccines are not made in China, at least not those that are in use in the West. The West has had plenty of its own tainted vaccine issues but it’s not in any shape or form an excuse to not vaccinate just an excuse to have better standards which we already have. Even with all the possible problems, side effects and complications vaccination saves millions of people each year. Vaccination isn’t just about you if you don’t vaccinate your child you not only put them at risk but more importantly you those who cannot be vaccinated at even more risk as they would have a compromised immune system to begin with. The sad truth is that not-vaccinating your child would likely won’t kill them due to modern medicine, however it can kill those who cannot be vaccinated which is why the moral imperative is for society to mandate vaccination because if we have one rule for a just society regardless of what system we use is that the strong should protect the weak.
- geggam 8y ago
  Moral imperative of forced medicine meeting the moral imperative to protect the weak. Who has more rights ?
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    We take money form you to feed and care for people that can’t take care of them selves, we will take your children away from you if you put them at risk sometimes for a silly reasons as leaving a child home alone, we as a society force conduct all the time I don’t understand why is this so different.
    - esaym 8y ago
      > we as a society force conduct all the time I don’t understand why is this so different Because in america we believe in an individual's personal right and a limited government. A government free to take your children away when there is no immediate danger would certainly violate this.
  - colemickens 8y ago
    A cop out: why don't we do something to address the education system that allows people to hold so strongly these anti-scientific conclusions? Don't want to stray off topic, but, as a society, we seem to have an increasing inability to distinguish junk science and random opinions passed as fact, from, you know, actual science. If people understood herd immunity, understood that the underpinnings of the anti-vax movement are based on debunked fraudulent science, etc, this "anti-vax" situation would've never come into being.
  - quickthrower2 8y ago
    I think this is the wrong question. Strong or weak I don't think it is in anyone's interest to have a large percentage of the population die due to rampant disease. So I will go with "forced" medicine, and fluorine in my tap water.
    - mwwilson 8y ago
      "So I will go with "forced" medicine, and fluorine in my tap water." Unfortunately comments like this convey misinformation and could help to spread anti-vax positions. There's very little research to suggest that ingestion of fluoride has any positive health impact. Comparing the two issues is quite misleading.
albertgoeswoof 8y ago
It’s VERY important to question the make up of vaccinations, so important that most governments have huge teams of qualified people dedicated to evaluating the safety and effectiveness of vaccines (and any other licensed medication for that matter). Are you one in of those teams? No? Then maybe don’t do your own “research” and maybe get your advice from a qualified person. Maybe someone you can see whenever you need to, perhaps someone who might have spent 8 years studying medicine in university? Maybe a doctor could help? I dunno though maybe Facebook and news reports about Chinese vaccines are a more reliable, reputable source of information.

danieltillett 8y ago

Which vaccines used in western countries are made in China? You wouldn't just be saying this without evidence would you?

dogma1138 8y ago

Most vaccines are not made in China, at least not those that are in use in the West. The West has had plenty of its own tainted vaccine issues but it’s not in any shape or form an excuse to not vaccinate just an excuse to have better standards which we already have. Even with all the possible problems, side effects and complications vaccination saves millions of people each year. Vaccination isn’t just about you if you don’t vaccinate your child you not only put them at risk but more importantly you those who cannot be vaccinated at even more risk as they would have a compromised immune system to begin with. The sad truth is that not-vaccinating your child would likely won’t kill them due to modern medicine, however it can kill those who cannot be vaccinated which is why the moral imperative is for society to mandate vaccination because if we have one rule for a just society regardless of what system we use is that the strong should protect the weak.

geggam 8y ago
Moral imperative of forced medicine meeting the moral imperative to protect the weak. Who has more rights ?
- dogma1138 8y ago
  We take money form you to feed and care for people that can’t take care of them selves, we will take your children away from you if you put them at risk sometimes for a silly reasons as leaving a child home alone, we as a society force conduct all the time I don’t understand why is this so different.
  - esaym 8y ago
    > we as a society force conduct all the time I don’t understand why is this so different Because in america we believe in an individual's personal right and a limited government. A government free to take your children away when there is no immediate danger would certainly violate this.
- colemickens 8y ago
  A cop out: why don't we do something to address the education system that allows people to hold so strongly these anti-scientific conclusions? Don't want to stray off topic, but, as a society, we seem to have an increasing inability to distinguish junk science and random opinions passed as fact, from, you know, actual science. If people understood herd immunity, understood that the underpinnings of the anti-vax movement are based on debunked fraudulent science, etc, this "anti-vax" situation would've never come into being.
- quickthrower2 8y ago
  I think this is the wrong question. Strong or weak I don't think it is in anyone's interest to have a large percentage of the population die due to rampant disease. So I will go with "forced" medicine, and fluorine in my tap water.
  - mwwilson 8y ago
    "So I will go with "forced" medicine, and fluorine in my tap water." Unfortunately comments like this convey misinformation and could help to spread anti-vax positions. There's very little research to suggest that ingestion of fluoride has any positive health impact. Comparing the two issues is quite misleading.

albertgoeswoof 8y ago

It’s VERY important to question the make up of vaccinations, so important that most governments have huge teams of qualified people dedicated to evaluating the safety and effectiveness of vaccines (and any other licensed medication for that matter). Are you one in of those teams? No? Then maybe don’t do your own “research” and maybe get your advice from a qualified person. Maybe someone you can see whenever you need to, perhaps someone who might have spent 8 years studying medicine in university? Maybe a doctor could help? I dunno though maybe Facebook and news reports about Chinese vaccines are a more reliable, reputable source of information.