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Poorly, IMO. This became clear to me when I had to talk a blind Windows user through installing Red Hat Linux with the Speakup screen reader in early 2001, usin

Poorly, IMO. This became clear to me when I had to talk a blind Windows user through installing Red Hat Linux with the Speakup screen reader in early 2001, using Red Hat's text-mode installer. That was when I realized that Windows had actually become more usable with a screen reader than screen-oriented text-mode UIs in a terminal.

rconti 8y ago
hmm I have a couple of blind friends, and one was an avid redhat user in the late 90s/early 2000s. I didn't reply to the question because I honestly can't remember, but in the late 90s, at least, dealing with Linux was a lot easier than JAWS on windows.
- mwcampbell 8y ago
  The transition from DOS to Windows in the 90s was difficult for blind users as well as screen reader developers. For some blind techies who were comfortable with DOS, Linux was indeed a more attractive next step. I was heavily involved in the blind Linux community from 1999 through 2001, and helped several newbies get started with Linux. But that's ancient history. Even as I was deeply involved in the blind Linux community, Windows screen readers were getting good, particularly for everyday tasks like web browsing. Today, there would be no reason for any blind person other than a programmer or sysadmin to use a command-line interface, let alone a screen-oriented terminal interface. To see why a screen-oriented terminal interface isn't in fact blind-friendly, consider that Red Hat text-mode installer I talked about last time. On screen, you have an approximation of a GUI using line-drawing characters, some ASCII art (for check boxes), and colors to convey where the focus or selection is. Suppose you're in a list of check boxes with buttons below it. What does the screen reader read when you arrow through the list? When you toggle a check box with Space? When you tab to one of the buttons? With the Linux Speakup screen reader in particular, the output wasn't at all intuitive, and one often had to use screen review commands to be sure of what was happening. I wish I still had a copy of a tutorial I recorded in late 2000 where I walked through the installation of Debian with Speakup. (The Debian and Red Hat installers were and are very similar in this regard.) Contrast that with the Fedora or Ubuntu graphical installer running under GNOME with the Orca screen reader. Like other major GUI platforms, GNOME has an accessibility API. Screen readers and other assistive technologies can get a tree of UI elements, and receive events about those elements. Assuming the application implements its side of the API (and often the UI toolkit takes care of this), a screen reader has easy access to high-level information about the widgets on the screen, what's happening to them, which one has the keyboard focus, etc. So when you arrow through that list of check boxes, the screen reader can say things like, "Web server, not checked". Then when you hit Space, it can just say, "checked". Finally, when you press Tab, it can say something like, "Next, button". It's clearly a much better experience. I'm happy to answer any questions if anyone is curious.

rconti 8y ago

hmm I have a couple of blind friends, and one was an avid redhat user in the late 90s/early 2000s. I didn't reply to the question because I honestly can't remember, but in the late 90s, at least, dealing with Linux was a lot easier than JAWS on windows.

mwcampbell 8y ago
The transition from DOS to Windows in the 90s was difficult for blind users as well as screen reader developers. For some blind techies who were comfortable with DOS, Linux was indeed a more attractive next step. I was heavily involved in the blind Linux community from 1999 through 2001, and helped several newbies get started with Linux. But that's ancient history. Even as I was deeply involved in the blind Linux community, Windows screen readers were getting good, particularly for everyday tasks like web browsing. Today, there would be no reason for any blind person other than a programmer or sysadmin to use a command-line interface, let alone a screen-oriented terminal interface. To see why a screen-oriented terminal interface isn't in fact blind-friendly, consider that Red Hat text-mode installer I talked about last time. On screen, you have an approximation of a GUI using line-drawing characters, some ASCII art (for check boxes), and colors to convey where the focus or selection is. Suppose you're in a list of check boxes with buttons below it. What does the screen reader read when you arrow through the list? When you toggle a check box with Space? When you tab to one of the buttons? With the Linux Speakup screen reader in particular, the output wasn't at all intuitive, and one often had to use screen review commands to be sure of what was happening. I wish I still had a copy of a tutorial I recorded in late 2000 where I walked through the installation of Debian with Speakup. (The Debian and Red Hat installers were and are very similar in this regard.) Contrast that with the Fedora or Ubuntu graphical installer running under GNOME with the Orca screen reader. Like other major GUI platforms, GNOME has an accessibility API. Screen readers and other assistive technologies can get a tree of UI elements, and receive events about those elements. Assuming the application implements its side of the API (and often the UI toolkit takes care of this), a screen reader has easy access to high-level information about the widgets on the screen, what's happening to them, which one has the keyboard focus, etc. So when you arrow through that list of check boxes, the screen reader can say things like, "Web server, not checked". Then when you hit Space, it can just say, "checked". Finally, when you press Tab, it can say something like, "Next, button". It's clearly a much better experience. I'm happy to answer any questions if anyone is curious.