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As a geek I’m always excitedly reading these and I’ve done a couple of hackontosh laptop conversions over the years just for the hell of it, but in my limited o

As a geek I’m always excitedly reading these and I’ve done a couple of hackontosh laptop conversions over the years just for the hell of it, but in my limited opinion (and mind you I always converted older laptops) there’s not much that i think would come close to the perfection that is the Apple hardware and software combination - it’s somehow just such wonderful devices and despite me really wanting a more unique and cool (maybe small and tablet based) MacOS device, i don’t think I’ll ever truly move away from Apple hardware. Do others feel the same?

mangix 8y ago
From a hardware point of view, I don't get it. There's this laughable failure where macOS lacks drivers for the keyboard and touchpad: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geGmC1xI4zo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geGmC1xI4zo MacBooks also seem to be configured to spin the fan up at 81 degrees C, which is a ridiculous temperature to do so. I get that their software is probably second to none, but they have major issues on the hardware side.
- daniel_iversen 8y ago
  Mmm. I’m not sure I’ve ever noticed those particular things. The Mac experience just feels like amazing craftsmanship somehow. Could it be that because they sometimes push the envelope a bit in terms of design or technology that in every generation of macs there are 1-2 items/areas that could be better?
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    I'm convinced that the only way you could think this is if your use case for the Mac is basically entirely browsing the web, and even for that the OS is typically broken in one or more unbelievable ways. I remember that for three point releases in a row (a couple years ago when I had to use macOS for iOS builds, which were at that point not reliable enough to automate), Exposé was severely broken in a different way for each consecutive release. Then there was that issue where you could log in as root by pressing return enough times, and that time when they literally showed volume passwords in plain text in the hint field. Over the last 5-8 years, I've seen OS X become noticeably slower in almost every way, such that hardware upgrades don't seem to do anything but keep up. On top of that, the new Macs are severely affected by thermal throttling, even during intermittent/reasonably idle use, and virtually none of the use cases they cite for them in the marketing wank actually turn out to be viable on the hardware. iOS has seen a similar trajectory, with ever worsening performance, and bizarre bugs (betraying the kind of software design, namely no design at all, it takes to publish mistakes like this on such a regular basis) like the recent full system crash when you type the word "Taiwan". It seems to me that the only way to come away with the opinion that the "Mac experience" is polished and carefree, is to use so little of the Mac that you have to wonder why you aren't just using a Chromebook.
    - daniel_iversen 8y ago
      Nah I don’t think so. I use lots of apps and feel like quite a “power” user; office suite, slack, Dropbox, iTunes, terminal, text editors, of course lots of browsers and stuff (don’t do Xcode or IDEs but do do Occasional programming and scripting in editors), and I hate working on windows even the all-in-one surface pros have felt way short for me compared to Macs . And Chromebooks I feel would do the same but they do seem like a good idea (like the surface tablets did) and I should give it a go to truly see... but I feel the Apple products are very “special” compared to other things, and I think that’s how many others feel too.

mangix 8y ago

From a hardware point of view, I don't get it. There's this laughable failure where macOS lacks drivers for the keyboard and touchpad: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geGmC1xI4zo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geGmC1xI4zo MacBooks also seem to be configured to spin the fan up at 81 degrees C, which is a ridiculous temperature to do so. I get that their software is probably second to none, but they have major issues on the hardware side.

daniel_iversen 8y ago
Mmm. I’m not sure I’ve ever noticed those particular things. The Mac experience just feels like amazing craftsmanship somehow. Could it be that because they sometimes push the envelope a bit in terms of design or technology that in every generation of macs there are 1-2 items/areas that could be better?
- microcolonel 8y ago
  I'm convinced that the only way you could think this is if your use case for the Mac is basically entirely browsing the web, and even for that the OS is typically broken in one or more unbelievable ways. I remember that for three point releases in a row (a couple years ago when I had to use macOS for iOS builds, which were at that point not reliable enough to automate), Exposé was severely broken in a different way for each consecutive release. Then there was that issue where you could log in as root by pressing return enough times, and that time when they literally showed volume passwords in plain text in the hint field. Over the last 5-8 years, I've seen OS X become noticeably slower in almost every way, such that hardware upgrades don't seem to do anything but keep up. On top of that, the new Macs are severely affected by thermal throttling, even during intermittent/reasonably idle use, and virtually none of the use cases they cite for them in the marketing wank actually turn out to be viable on the hardware. iOS has seen a similar trajectory, with ever worsening performance, and bizarre bugs (betraying the kind of software design, namely no design at all, it takes to publish mistakes like this on such a regular basis) like the recent full system crash when you type the word "Taiwan". It seems to me that the only way to come away with the opinion that the "Mac experience" is polished and carefree, is to use so little of the Mac that you have to wonder why you aren't just using a Chromebook.
  - daniel_iversen 8y ago
    Nah I don’t think so. I use lots of apps and feel like quite a “power” user; office suite, slack, Dropbox, iTunes, terminal, text editors, of course lots of browsers and stuff (don’t do Xcode or IDEs but do do Occasional programming and scripting in editors), and I hate working on windows even the all-in-one surface pros have felt way short for me compared to Macs . And Chromebooks I feel would do the same but they do seem like a good idea (like the surface tablets did) and I should give it a go to truly see... but I feel the Apple products are very “special” compared to other things, and I think that’s how many others feel too.