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Okay, I may have gone off at the deep end, for which I apologise. The OP may have been making a good faith observation on the basis on media coverage of this. H
by Robin_Message 16y ago
Okay, I may have gone off at the deep end, for which I apologise. The OP may have been making a good faith observation on the basis on media coverage of this. However, I stand by the fact that "mobile phones are bad for you" is an extremely irritating meme and I'd like to see it die.
As to a temporal correlation, no there isn't. Six years before CCD was observed (2000) there were about 100 million mobile phones in the USA. In 2006, 200 million. Granted that is a large rise, but if I was looking for a correlation, I'd look at 0 to 100 million, not 100 to 200 million.
The reason the popular press includes mobile phone signals as a possible cause, is that a) it's a common meme that people lap up, and b) as you point out, scientists have shown that if you put strong radio signals near hives, bees don't return there. But to me, that doesn't credibly imply CCD is caused by mobile phones.
To look at this another way, Facebook was launched to everyone in 2006. Maybe the bees get distracted by facebook and starve to death? To test this, I put a computer running facebook inside a beehive. The bees stopped going to that hive. QED, facebook caused CCD. That wouldn't be credible, even if I had run the experiment and got that result.
Anyway, you are right, the OP probably did genuinely think this was the explanation, which sucks for science journalism and more generally civil and technological society everywhere.
- jacquesm 16y ago> However, I stand by the fact that "mobile phones are bad for you" is an extremely irritating meme and I'd like to see it die. Mobile phones are good for you is extremely irritating as well, probably just as much. All there is is research and evidence, you don't draw your conclusions based on things being 'irritating'. You could discard pretty much all of science because it is at least irritating to someone, so we agree to not pick and choose but to follow where ever facts and evidence lead us, even if that requires putting to rest links that are suggested and that turn out to be false, lest we throw out a real possibility. It is interesting that you would apologize and then you say the same thing again but in different words.