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There are lots of different carbs with many different metabolic profiles. And there are plenty of people out there living very healthy lives and even reversing

There are lots of different carbs with many different metabolic profiles. And there are plenty of people out there living very healthy lives and even reversing heart disease and diabetes on high carb diets provided they are unprocessed whole carbs. Okinawans used to get the vast majority of their calories from sweet potatoes, for example, and were the longest living people in the world.

bad_user 8y ago
I am not contradicting you, however: 1. the diet of Okinawans is irrelevant because they are not eating the refined carbohydrates that we do and 2. that fasting is easier if you eat high fat, low carbs meals just before is a fact known for thousands of years, because fasting isn't new ... all major religions that practice water fasting allow meat just before a water fast
- PerfectElement 8y ago
  - the diet of Okinawans is irrelevant because they are not eating the refined carbohydrates that we do I think you missed the point the parent was making. No one is forcing you to eat refined carbohydrates. People conflate carbohydrates with "refined carbohydrates" and end up thinking that eating a bowl of brow rice, lentils and veggies will make you diabetic because "carbs".
  - triviatise 8y ago
    they dont keep you full like protein does. Eating high protein moderate fat, low (not zero) carb reduces hunger to nothing for fasting.
    - cageface 8y ago
      Many carbohydrates have a higher satiety index than beef does, for example. Potatoes and oats are both more filling than a steak. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-foods https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Legumes are high in carbohydrates and protein and are extremely nutritious and filling.
      - GordonS 8y ago
        Sorry, but I very much doubt this - potatoes have a very high glycemic index (sometimes higher than that of straight glucose!), so you will have a blood glucose crash shortly after eating them, causing you to feel hungry. I have reactive hypoglycemia, and potatoes are something I strongly avoid for this reason (they will cause me to hypo as soon as 30 mins after eating them).
        cageface 8y ago
        Glycemic index and insulin response are two different things. Both can be measured directly in the blood and aren't a matter of opinion or anecdote.
        GordonS 8y ago
        I was responding to your post about satiety, not insulin response? Eating potatoes causes your blood sugar to rise rapidly. When it falls, it invokes a feeling of hunger. Blood glucose can be measured directly in the blood, and isn't a matter of opinion or anecdote :P I was suspicious of the results, so I just downloaded the paper that your link refers to - low and behold, it has this at the end: "This study was supported by a competitive investigator-initiated grant from the US Potato Board" Well, what a surprise!
  - geomark 8y ago
    Depends a lot on the type of rice. A couple of rice varieties have a higher glycemic index than pure glucose. A lot of people where I live are diabetic and don't understand why because they don't eat sweets. But they do eat large amounts of jasimine rice and Thai sticky rice; both have GI > 100.
    - GordonS 8y ago
      Even how much you cook the rice affects it's glycemic index - al dente rice has a lower GI than soft rice (same deal with pasta)
    - 738472527784 8y ago
      OP said brown rice...
com2kid 8y ago
The Okinawan diet is also famous for being a calorie restricted diet. There is a famous saying there that roughly translates to "eat until you are 80% full". Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hara_hachi_bun_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hara_hachi_bun_me I'm actually surprised that Wikipedia says they consume 1800 calories a day. When I am doing intermittent fasting I am around 1400-1600.

bad_user 8y ago

I am not contradicting you, however: 1. the diet of Okinawans is irrelevant because they are not eating the refined carbohydrates that we do and 2. that fasting is easier if you eat high fat, low carbs meals just before is a fact known for thousands of years, because fasting isn't new ... all major religions that practice water fasting allow meat just before a water fast

PerfectElement 8y ago
- the diet of Okinawans is irrelevant because they are not eating the refined carbohydrates that we do I think you missed the point the parent was making. No one is forcing you to eat refined carbohydrates. People conflate carbohydrates with "refined carbohydrates" and end up thinking that eating a bowl of brow rice, lentils and veggies will make you diabetic because "carbs".
- triviatise 8y ago
  they dont keep you full like protein does. Eating high protein moderate fat, low (not zero) carb reduces hunger to nothing for fasting.
  - cageface 8y ago
    Many carbohydrates have a higher satiety index than beef does, for example. Potatoes and oats are both more filling than a steak. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-foods https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/15-incredibly-filling-f... Legumes are high in carbohydrates and protein and are extremely nutritious and filling.
    - GordonS 8y ago
      Sorry, but I very much doubt this - potatoes have a very high glycemic index (sometimes higher than that of straight glucose!), so you will have a blood glucose crash shortly after eating them, causing you to feel hungry. I have reactive hypoglycemia, and potatoes are something I strongly avoid for this reason (they will cause me to hypo as soon as 30 mins after eating them).
      - cageface 8y ago
        Glycemic index and insulin response are two different things. Both can be measured directly in the blood and aren't a matter of opinion or anecdote.
        GordonS 8y ago
        I was responding to your post about satiety, not insulin response? Eating potatoes causes your blood sugar to rise rapidly. When it falls, it invokes a feeling of hunger. Blood glucose can be measured directly in the blood, and isn't a matter of opinion or anecdote :P I was suspicious of the results, so I just downloaded the paper that your link refers to - low and behold, it has this at the end: "This study was supported by a competitive investigator-initiated grant from the US Potato Board" Well, what a surprise!
- geomark 8y ago
  Depends a lot on the type of rice. A couple of rice varieties have a higher glycemic index than pure glucose. A lot of people where I live are diabetic and don't understand why because they don't eat sweets. But they do eat large amounts of jasimine rice and Thai sticky rice; both have GI > 100.
  - GordonS 8y ago
    Even how much you cook the rice affects it's glycemic index - al dente rice has a lower GI than soft rice (same deal with pasta)
  - 738472527784 8y ago
    OP said brown rice...

com2kid 8y ago

The Okinawan diet is also famous for being a calorie restricted diet. There is a famous saying there that roughly translates to "eat until you are 80% full". Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hara_hachi_bun_me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hara_hachi_bun_me I'm actually surprised that Wikipedia says they consume 1800 calories a day. When I am doing intermittent fasting I am around 1400-1600.