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I wonder how long it would take to get mainline linux support and when these boxes could be bought off of Aliexpress. There are basically no small form factor

I wonder how long it would take to get mainline linux support and when these boxes could be bought off of Aliexpress. There are basically no small form factor 2400G systems and this have better graphics.

IntelMiner 8y ago
The systems themselves likely aren't very different from a "standard" x86 system The hardest part will probably be the sheer amount of DRM installed around them, as consoles tend to have
- maccio92 8y ago
  Where's geohotz when you need him??
  - sfshaw 8y ago
    He has moved on to hacking things that kill more people than phone and videogames, cars.
- masklinn 8y ago
  > The hardest part will probably be the sheer amount of DRM installed around them, as consoles tend to have Technically it's not really DRM which is the issue, it's the software engineering and security mitigation letting you jailbreak the system (unless it's just not jailed in the first place). Then again, while the XB1 is still locked down tight, it took 2 years to get a working PS4 jailbreak and 15 months for the Switch. If the usual chinese SE is any evidence, Subor's probably be at or below the low end.
- monocasa 8y ago
  The pictures in the article appear to show the console just straight up running Windows 10.
- penagwin 8y ago
  I doubt it'll be a problem. The only people who care about the DRM are on the software side, and they also control the hardware side (there is no non-microsoft device that can run xbox one software for example). I'll bet we'll see a huge export of "consoles" that are just the hardware, expecting companies to create the software and rebrand them.
digi_owl 8y ago
SteamOS anyone?
phkahler 8y ago
>> There are basically no small form factor 2400G systems and this have better graphics. I've got a 2400G and have designed a very small form factor case specifically to house a Gigabyte AB350N Gaming WiFi ITX motherboard. It's so small the CPU fan and shroud will protrude through the top and will double as a case fan. I am just getting my new 3D printer setup and hope to print this thing this weekend. It's 195mm by 190mm by 60mm high, plus rubber feet to provide clearance for the vents which are on the bottom. It will be reasonably easy to relocate the CPU fan hole for different boards - it's position is 2 parameters in CAD. I'll try to post pics and CAD files someplace when the design is fully printed and finalized. Or perhaps make it available on Shapeways? There is opportunity to shrink it more in the future, but I went for 30mm radius curves on the front and haven't shaved every mm off the height. Running Fedora Rawhide, there are some issues still but it's amazing when it boots properly. Plays Video on my 4K TV while barely making a sound or heating up.
- e_chriccleston 8y ago
  I'd be interested in the CAD or STL files if you decide to post them.
- spinningD20 8y ago
  I used a more off the shelf approach, but the result is likely similar in performance and goal: https://imgur.com/a/Nm607lo https://imgur.com/a/Nm607lo Case is an M350 itx case, and using a pico psu. There should be more, smaller Ryzen APU systems, they really are amazing. Looking forward to physical releases of their v1000 series SoC's.
- neuromancer2701 8y ago
  I meant like the ZOTAC ZBOX MA551 which has been basically vaporware for the last 9 months showing up at consumer show every 3 or 4 months. NUC like package.
  - phkahler 8y ago
    Yeah, I wanted the ZBOX too. Gave up and decided to roll my own. If the big names won't support AMD with SFF I will.
arriu 8y ago
You could build something like this with a 2400G today: https://imgur.com/IWMqyRR https://imgur.com/IWMqyRR It is very small as far as custom PCs go, pixel 2 provided as a size reference.
scns 8y ago
Check out the DAN Cases SFX, the smallest gaming case in the world. You can buy it at caseking.de. Not affiliated.

IntelMiner 8y ago

The systems themselves likely aren't very different from a "standard" x86 system The hardest part will probably be the sheer amount of DRM installed around them, as consoles tend to have

maccio92 8y ago
Where's geohotz when you need him??
- sfshaw 8y ago
  He has moved on to hacking things that kill more people than phone and videogames, cars.
masklinn 8y ago
> The hardest part will probably be the sheer amount of DRM installed around them, as consoles tend to have Technically it's not really DRM which is the issue, it's the software engineering and security mitigation letting you jailbreak the system (unless it's just not jailed in the first place). Then again, while the XB1 is still locked down tight, it took 2 years to get a working PS4 jailbreak and 15 months for the Switch. If the usual chinese SE is any evidence, Subor's probably be at or below the low end.
monocasa 8y ago
The pictures in the article appear to show the console just straight up running Windows 10.
penagwin 8y ago
I doubt it'll be a problem. The only people who care about the DRM are on the software side, and they also control the hardware side (there is no non-microsoft device that can run xbox one software for example). I'll bet we'll see a huge export of "consoles" that are just the hardware, expecting companies to create the software and rebrand them.

digi_owl 8y ago

SteamOS anyone?

phkahler 8y ago

>> There are basically no small form factor 2400G systems and this have better graphics. I've got a 2400G and have designed a very small form factor case specifically to house a Gigabyte AB350N Gaming WiFi ITX motherboard. It's so small the CPU fan and shroud will protrude through the top and will double as a case fan. I am just getting my new 3D printer setup and hope to print this thing this weekend. It's 195mm by 190mm by 60mm high, plus rubber feet to provide clearance for the vents which are on the bottom. It will be reasonably easy to relocate the CPU fan hole for different boards - it's position is 2 parameters in CAD. I'll try to post pics and CAD files someplace when the design is fully printed and finalized. Or perhaps make it available on Shapeways? There is opportunity to shrink it more in the future, but I went for 30mm radius curves on the front and haven't shaved every mm off the height. Running Fedora Rawhide, there are some issues still but it's amazing when it boots properly. Plays Video on my 4K TV while barely making a sound or heating up.

e_chriccleston 8y ago
I'd be interested in the CAD or STL files if you decide to post them.
spinningD20 8y ago
I used a more off the shelf approach, but the result is likely similar in performance and goal: https://imgur.com/a/Nm607lo https://imgur.com/a/Nm607lo Case is an M350 itx case, and using a pico psu. There should be more, smaller Ryzen APU systems, they really are amazing. Looking forward to physical releases of their v1000 series SoC's.
neuromancer2701 8y ago
I meant like the ZOTAC ZBOX MA551 which has been basically vaporware for the last 9 months showing up at consumer show every 3 or 4 months. NUC like package.
- phkahler 8y ago
  Yeah, I wanted the ZBOX too. Gave up and decided to roll my own. If the big names won't support AMD with SFF I will.

arriu 8y ago

You could build something like this with a 2400G today: https://imgur.com/IWMqyRR https://imgur.com/IWMqyRR It is very small as far as custom PCs go, pixel 2 provided as a size reference.

scns 8y ago

Check out the DAN Cases SFX, the smallest gaming case in the world. You can buy it at caseking.de. Not affiliated.