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Have you actually tried using an alternative email client with iCloud mail? You might get lucky, but for sure it is only tested with Apple Mail as a client. The

Have you actually tried using an alternative email client with iCloud mail? You might get lucky, but for sure it is only tested with Apple Mail as a client. They might claim standard protocol adherence, but are they actually testing for it? Likewise, your assessment of how easy it is to get ones photos exported with metadata intact is not true in practice. Android phones are indeed as bad or worse than Apple with regard to lifespan, but this was a trend that Apple started. A Nokia 3310 purchased in 2000 would still work fine today. Apple would even like to see something as simple and universal as a headphone jack disappear in order to regularly sell new headphones (!)

scarface74 8y ago
How hard is it to plug a phone up to your computer and drag files from it? A Nokia 3310 would be a 2G GSM phone. Both GSM carriers in the US have turned off 2G support. If you wanted, there is nothing stopping you from using an iPhone 3G released in 2008. In fact, I have a first gen iPad. You can still download older versions of Netflix, Hulu, Spotify etc and they still work. Seeing that you can still buy standard Bluetooth headphones from anywhere and an adapter comes in the box. There is nothing stopping you from using third party headphones.
- willtim 8y ago
  > How hard is it to plug a phone up to your computer and drag files from it? The internal filesystem layout used by photos is not intended to be manually browsed, it is non-trivial and undocumented. I might be able to recover the original jpg files, but any metadata such as organisation structure, tags, albums is locked up in proprietary closed formats. They offer an export function which gets you the jpgs, but not much else. > there is nothing stopping you from using an iPhone 3G released in 2008 Security for one. Apple and Google have both built an extremely complex phone OS that needs constant patching to even remain "reasonably secure". > you can still buy standard Bluetooth headphones My concern is longevity, simplicity and sound quality. I would not want to use bluetooth.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    The iPhone doesn’t expose the entire file system to Windows. It exposes a simple folder with just the JPEGs. What “tags”? The photos app doesn’t support tagging. Exactly what exploits do you expect to have on an iPhone 3G? Keyloggers? Viruses? Data exfiltration apps?
    - willtim 8y ago
      I was talking about the OSX "photos app" - an iPhone typically won't have enough storage to hold all photos at once, so doesn't seem like the best way to transfer photos away from iCloud. An exploit means that someone can remotely gain permanent control over your iPhone, including the ability to record conversations and/or initiate activity on your behalf. iOS exploits have been possible via SMS/MMS and WiFi, so even turning off Web and Email won't make it secure.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        And you know of documented unpatched exploits for iOS 4 - the last version of iOS that works with the 3G? I was talking about the OSX "photos app" - an iPhone typically won't have enough storage to hold all photos at once, so doesn't seem like the best way to transfer photos away from iCloud. What does the iPhone not having space to store all of your photos have to do with using iCloud?
        willtim 8y ago
        > What does the iPhone not having space to store all of your photos have to do with using iCloud? Because iCloud is a big part of their lock-in strategy. The issue is not about transferring a few photos adhoc from a phone. It is about having potentially terabytes of family movies and photos stored and organised on iCloud. Like I said, there is a financial incentive for them to make it difficult for people to move away. There is no easy way to transfer everything off, including all metadata.
        8y ago
Retric 8y ago
The iPhone's default mail application uses 3rd party email services just fine. I suspect that's how most people use email on Apple products.
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- fhood 8y ago
  Yup, mine is hooked up to gmail
- scarface74 8y ago
  Not only does it uses third party email just fine, there are explicit wizards for Yahoo, Gmail, Outlook, and one or two more.

scarface74 8y ago

How hard is it to plug a phone up to your computer and drag files from it? A Nokia 3310 would be a 2G GSM phone. Both GSM carriers in the US have turned off 2G support. If you wanted, there is nothing stopping you from using an iPhone 3G released in 2008. In fact, I have a first gen iPad. You can still download older versions of Netflix, Hulu, Spotify etc and they still work. Seeing that you can still buy standard Bluetooth headphones from anywhere and an adapter comes in the box. There is nothing stopping you from using third party headphones.

willtim 8y ago
> How hard is it to plug a phone up to your computer and drag files from it? The internal filesystem layout used by photos is not intended to be manually browsed, it is non-trivial and undocumented. I might be able to recover the original jpg files, but any metadata such as organisation structure, tags, albums is locked up in proprietary closed formats. They offer an export function which gets you the jpgs, but not much else. > there is nothing stopping you from using an iPhone 3G released in 2008 Security for one. Apple and Google have both built an extremely complex phone OS that needs constant patching to even remain "reasonably secure". > you can still buy standard Bluetooth headphones My concern is longevity, simplicity and sound quality. I would not want to use bluetooth.
- scarface74 8y ago
  The iPhone doesn’t expose the entire file system to Windows. It exposes a simple folder with just the JPEGs. What “tags”? The photos app doesn’t support tagging. Exactly what exploits do you expect to have on an iPhone 3G? Keyloggers? Viruses? Data exfiltration apps?
  - willtim 8y ago
    I was talking about the OSX "photos app" - an iPhone typically won't have enough storage to hold all photos at once, so doesn't seem like the best way to transfer photos away from iCloud. An exploit means that someone can remotely gain permanent control over your iPhone, including the ability to record conversations and/or initiate activity on your behalf. iOS exploits have been possible via SMS/MMS and WiFi, so even turning off Web and Email won't make it secure.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      And you know of documented unpatched exploits for iOS 4 - the last version of iOS that works with the 3G? I was talking about the OSX "photos app" - an iPhone typically won't have enough storage to hold all photos at once, so doesn't seem like the best way to transfer photos away from iCloud. What does the iPhone not having space to store all of your photos have to do with using iCloud?
      - willtim 8y ago
        > What does the iPhone not having space to store all of your photos have to do with using iCloud? Because iCloud is a big part of their lock-in strategy. The issue is not about transferring a few photos adhoc from a phone. It is about having potentially terabytes of family movies and photos stored and organised on iCloud. Like I said, there is a financial incentive for them to make it difficult for people to move away. There is no easy way to transfer everything off, including all metadata.
        8y ago

Retric 8y ago

The iPhone's default mail application uses 3rd party email services just fine. I suspect that's how most people use email on Apple products.

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fhood 8y ago
Yup, mine is hooked up to gmail
scarface74 8y ago
Not only does it uses third party email just fine, there are explicit wizards for Yahoo, Gmail, Outlook, and one or two more.