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>> "Even if these immigrants end up to be net tax payers after all the costs of feeding, housing, integrating these people" So, I don't know how immigration wo

>> "Even if these immigrants end up to be net tax payers after all the costs of feeding, housing, integrating these people" So, I don't know how immigration works on your planet, but here in the real world immigrants do not get free "feeding, housing" or free anything-else. In fact a key condition in even the most open/lenient countries is that you must show proof that you can provide for yourself. Any other way would simply not make any sense, and I am always in awe at the level of confabulation needed to believe these nativist fairy tales. Or maybe you're one of these people who mistake immigrants for refugees?

s9w 8y ago
Immigrants and "refugees" are more or less interchangeable. They are both used similarly by politicians who call for immigration and mean refugees and open borders. And they certainly are used very loosely by the people themselves, who just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies. But anyways - both do definitely not have to proof that they can provide for themselves. At least not in large parts of Europe.
- lawlessone 8y ago
  >who just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies. Maybe you should stay off the chans and Voat there buddy, maybe stop reading Brietbart.
  - s9w 8y ago
    There is no reasonable process to verify refugee claims. There are countless cases of refugees having multiple "identities" by just going from center to center and get their money. Even Anis amri (Berlin terrorist) had 14 identities. edit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38516691 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38516691
    - lawlessone 8y ago
      >multiple identities apparently enabled him to claim large amounts in welfare benefits. Pretty sure you don't have to be a migrant to do that. Plenty of people doing it in my country are locals.
      - s9w 8y ago
        the ease and benefits of a refugee status are overwhelming. It's a common "joke" among my (German) colleagues that they should just claim a Syrian refugee status for bonus money
  - sparkling 8y ago
    In Germany, there was a case of a german native man getting multiple refugee identities by claiming he was from Syria, without speaking a single word of arabic. To make things even more absurd, he was an active member of the german military. Just one example, i could bring up hundreds.
    - s9w 8y ago
      just two examples: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article165956201/Ein-Syrer-der-kein-Arabisch-kann-Fluechtling-in-Beweisnot.html https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article165956201/Ein... https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundeswehrsoldat-lernte-Arabisch-article19813610.html https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundeswehrsoldat-lernte-Arabisch...
  - zaroth 8y ago
    You can read Breitbart and still very much appreciate the difference between legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, and refugees. Legal immigrants are the most law abiding and some of the most productive people in a community, having worked their asses off to go through a typically arduous process to get where they are. There’s a great deal of controversy over whether illegal immigrants commit crimes or consume social services and welfare at higher or lower rates than citizens, but there’s zero debate that legal immigrants commit crime and utilize welfare at significantly lower rates than either other group.
- dang 8y ago
  > just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies That's an egregious slur. If you post anything like this again, or use HN for this kind of flamewar again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

s9w 8y ago

Immigrants and "refugees" are more or less interchangeable. They are both used similarly by politicians who call for immigration and mean refugees and open borders. And they certainly are used very loosely by the people themselves, who just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies. But anyways - both do definitely not have to proof that they can provide for themselves. At least not in large parts of Europe.

lawlessone 8y ago
>who just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies. Maybe you should stay off the chans and Voat there buddy, maybe stop reading Brietbart.
- s9w 8y ago
  There is no reasonable process to verify refugee claims. There are countless cases of refugees having multiple "identities" by just going from center to center and get their money. Even Anis amri (Berlin terrorist) had 14 identities. edit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38516691 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38516691
  - lawlessone 8y ago
    >multiple identities apparently enabled him to claim large amounts in welfare benefits. Pretty sure you don't have to be a migrant to do that. Plenty of people doing it in my country are locals.
    - s9w 8y ago
      the ease and benefits of a refugee status are overwhelming. It's a common "joke" among my (German) colleagues that they should just claim a Syrian refugee status for bonus money
- sparkling 8y ago
  In Germany, there was a case of a german native man getting multiple refugee identities by claiming he was from Syria, without speaking a single word of arabic. To make things even more absurd, he was an active member of the german military. Just one example, i could bring up hundreds.
  - s9w 8y ago
    just two examples: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article165956201/Ein-Syrer-der-kein-Arabisch-kann-Fluechtling-in-Beweisnot.html https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article165956201/Ein... https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundeswehrsoldat-lernte-Arabisch-article19813610.html https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bundeswehrsoldat-lernte-Arabisch...
- zaroth 8y ago
  You can read Breitbart and still very much appreciate the difference between legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, and refugees. Legal immigrants are the most law abiding and some of the most productive people in a community, having worked their asses off to go through a typically arduous process to get where they are. There’s a great deal of controversy over whether illegal immigrants commit crimes or consume social services and welfare at higher or lower rates than citizens, but there’s zero debate that legal immigrants commit crime and utilize welfare at significantly lower rates than either other group.
dang 8y ago
> just need to mumble that they are Syrian to get all the goodies That's an egregious slur. If you post anything like this again, or use HN for this kind of flamewar again, we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html