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Sorry to tell you that there is a big difference between regular immigrants and refugees. A regular Immigrant to Europe usually is a net win from day one becaus

by geff82 8y ago

Sorry to tell you that there is a big difference between regular immigrants and refugees. A regular Immigrant to Europe usually is a net win from day one because they have been educated for free in their country of origin, while the upfront cost of raising someone in your own country with your own taxes is quite high (Kindergarten, school, university...).

insertcredit 8y ago
This is an oversimplification. A lot (most?) of the problematic immigrants in the EU come from developing countries and are not very well (if at all) educated. There are exceptions of course. In Germany where I live there has been a massive wave of immigrants coming from Greece. Having met quite a few, a lot of them have a university-level education and decided to immigrate in order to escape from a corrupt non-meritocratic state and make the most of their abilities. Greece is a member of the EU and culturally belongs in the west thus there are no cultural clashes or assimilation issues, which is why Germany is a net winner in this case. On the flipside, we also have a lot of immigrants from Africa / Egypt / Morocco / the Middle East that lack any sort of education and contribute to rising crime and cultural dilution. Islam makes it even worse, since it's very exclusive and does not allow for cultural assimilation to take place. Now, keep in mind that a lot of these immigrants also seek to game the state via rent-seeking and typically have a lot of children. The writing on the wall if the current policies continue is not hard to discern. For immigrants coming from outside the EU, I'm a firm supporter of Singapore's first-order eugenic criteria. Countries should adopt harsh immigration policies and accept people who probabilistically will turn out to be assets to society. Unfortunately, populism is experiencing a renaissance in Europe, and it's very easy for politicians to appeal to the brainwashed masses on "humanitarian" grounds to vote for policies that will lead to major clashes in the future. In some EU countries, implementing said liberal immigration policies has led to the rapid rise of nationalist parties so backlash is already happening (and in the worst possible way).
- selimthegrim 8y ago
  > Islam makes it even worse, since it's very exclusive and does not allow for cultural assimilation to take place. I have seen some generalizations on HN but this is a howler - takes the cake.

by geff82 8y ago

insertcredit 8y ago

This is an oversimplification. A lot (most?) of the problematic immigrants in the EU come from developing countries and are not very well (if at all) educated. There are exceptions of course. In Germany where I live there has been a massive wave of immigrants coming from Greece. Having met quite a few, a lot of them have a university-level education and decided to immigrate in order to escape from a corrupt non-meritocratic state and make the most of their abilities. Greece is a member of the EU and culturally belongs in the west thus there are no cultural clashes or assimilation issues, which is why Germany is a net winner in this case. On the flipside, we also have a lot of immigrants from Africa / Egypt / Morocco / the Middle East that lack any sort of education and contribute to rising crime and cultural dilution. Islam makes it even worse, since it's very exclusive and does not allow for cultural assimilation to take place. Now, keep in mind that a lot of these immigrants also seek to game the state via rent-seeking and typically have a lot of children. The writing on the wall if the current policies continue is not hard to discern. For immigrants coming from outside the EU, I'm a firm supporter of Singapore's first-order eugenic criteria. Countries should adopt harsh immigration policies and accept people who probabilistically will turn out to be assets to society. Unfortunately, populism is experiencing a renaissance in Europe, and it's very easy for politicians to appeal to the brainwashed masses on "humanitarian" grounds to vote for policies that will lead to major clashes in the future. In some EU countries, implementing said liberal immigration policies has led to the rapid rise of nationalist parties so backlash is already happening (and in the worst possible way).

selimthegrim 8y ago
> Islam makes it even worse, since it's very exclusive and does not allow for cultural assimilation to take place. I have seen some generalizations on HN but this is a howler - takes the cake.