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A lot of commenters here obviously have not witnessed this or been a target. In pedestrian areas, sometimes the offender will walk with their target for a bloc
by blunte 8y ago
A lot of commenters here obviously have not witnessed this or been a target.
In pedestrian areas, sometimes the offender will walk with their target for a block or more, saying rude things, directly asking for a f++k, etc.
And believe it or not, sometimes a driver of a car will slow to the speed of the pedestrian and one or more people in the car will harass the pedestrian in verbal sexual ways.
Even if a law is not easily enforcible, at least if a cop happens to witness this they can step in and fine the offender. That just might start to have an impact on the problem.
It's a real nasty situation, particularly for women, especially when they are walking alone (even in the middle of the day). Some of the offenders have no sense of civility.
- xarball 8y agoHow could you defend those accused of this if they were innocent, though? Someone might quite literally just want to start talking to someone without having any way of knowing where someone's head is at. I'm thinking particularly of more gray areas. Like outside of a nightclub. Or with a women who is just trying to cause trouble by baiting men (which is a REAL possible outcome of instituting oppressive laws like this!) Laws have to be clear about what is acceptable behavior and what isn't, and cannot be subject to interpretation. We may as well just ban all flirting between men and women if that's where this is headed, because this looks like another insanely evil marxist law designed to subvert our natural ways of dealing with social provocations, that mother nature has enshrined us with, and probably leading to more social imbalances than those even posed by original problem!
- growlist 8y agoI think the elephant in the room here is that this behaviour is probably not coming mainly from resident French, but rather, being kind, those that France needs to work harder to introduce to common standards of behaviour in France. An extreme leftist position might argue this law is an evil right wing law that hampers different cultures that are equally as valid as mainstream French culture.
- cam_l 8y agoThe reason you are being downvoted is that it is also not ok to harass women outside of a nightclub.. or in a nightclub.. or anywhere fucking else. If they are baiting, well perhaps this a pathological response to constant lifelong harassment. Perhaps not being harassed for sex from the time they are pre-pubescent will actually change the dynamic. If people get off on the give and take of sexually threatening roleplay in a public setting, perhaps they need to check themselves before worrying if that 'right' will be taken away. Law definitely does not have to be clear (show me a law that is black and white). Once again, the important thing to remember here, and the issue men seem to have a problem with, is that this kind of change does indeed shift the power dynamic. Suck it up, sweetheart!
- WalterSear 8y ago>'Maybe they are baiting, well perhaps this a pathological response to constant lifelong harassment.' Assholery knows no gender. Don't give it one and pretend you are debating in fair faith.
- BerislavLopac 8y agoOh please stop it with the ridiculous baiting argument, especially such nonsense as "REAL possible outcome of instituting oppressive laws like this"! Perhaps stealing cars might be legal, otherwise car owners might bait by driving their cars around -- it's a REAL possible outcome! Shoplifting should be legal too -- it's a REAL possible outcome that shops might bait us by having all those things on their shelves! All of us have been in a situation that we wanted something from a shop but couldn't have it because we couldn't afford it or for other reason -- how many has taken it anyway? And furthermore, how many of those who have did expect to be pardoned because they were "baited"? Just stop it and grow up. Please.
- staticelf 8y agoThere is way too many white knights on HN to even have the discussion here. Even if you word stuff good, have valid points you will be downvoted and ridiculed. Typical mob mentality and it's pretty obvious to me that this is the real reason behind these kind of laws.
- KyeRussell 8y agoI’m sure that /r/redpill will welcome you with wide arms mate. Generating people that you disagree with as “white knights” gives you away.
- WalterSear 8y agoIt's all about wording stuff good.
- KyeRussell 8y agoSo you’re obviously speaking from a position of no experience, and don’t understand legislation (laws are far from black and white, one of the reasons why a court system exists), and have gone as far as to present a strawman / slippery slope argument.