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In a framework of deregulation, there is no 180 here. He is simply following through on general smaller government principles. When we removed net neutrality, t

In a framework of deregulation, there is no 180 here. He is simply following through on general smaller government principles. When we removed net neutrality, the fear was the monopolies will rule us all! Well, how do those monopolies stay in power? Typically, corrupt regulation such as what was removed here.

monocasa 8y ago
> Well, how do those monopolies stay in power? Typically, corrupt regulation such as what was removed here Well, and the natural monopoly of an upfront capital intensive venture that might not pay for itself if you only get 50% of the market...
p1necone 8y ago
Fwiw I live in a country with no net neutrality laws but reasonably healthy competition between ISPs (New Zealand) and it seems to work out alright. I feel like the right order of operations if you did believe in deregulation and encouraging competition would be to ensure there was competition between ISPs and then remove the net neutrality laws though, not the other way around. I still think internet access should be treated similarly to water/power etc though.
- geomark 8y ago
  My anecdote is similar, re healthy competition. It's even less regulated here in Thailand, which is good for competition and consumers, but does lead to messes like this https://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/dcx/2016/06/30/1849761_620x413.jpg https://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/dcx/2016/06/30/184... where a dozen or more telecommunication providers each hang their own cabling. The posts actually collapse sometimes due to the weight of the cabling.
  - sambull 8y ago
    And that's the regulation that makes last mile impossible.
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- mr_toad 8y ago
  In New Zealand all the copper and fibre is owned by a regulated wholesale monopoly, that isn’t legally allowed to sell directly to consumers. ISPs buy access at regulated prices. Net neutrality, with respect to content, isn’t really an issue, since 99.9% of content is made overseas.
- phire 8y ago
  > I live in a country with no net neutrality laws but reasonably healthy competition between ISPs (New Zealand) and it seems to work out alright. New Zealand doesn't need net neutrality, because it has something better. In the US, the ISP is one company that owns the lines and sells its services to customers. They also typically bundle cable tv packages. Many customers are serviced by only one or two ISPs. Setting up a competing ISPs requires laying new cable/fiber. In New Zealand, the ISPs and the companies which own the lines are different companies (as enforced by regulations). ComCom also regulates the price that the line company can charge the ISP. This makes setting up a competing ISP easy. Buy some capacity on international fiber links, set up some routing equipment in a peering exchange and contract Chorus/Enable to hook up your customers. Incidentally, this is how power companies work in NZ too. There have been quite a few new retail power competitors launched over the last 10 years.
  - rory096 8y ago
    This is known as local loop unbundling and is mandated by the FCC... for phone service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling
  - p1necone 8y ago
    I probably should have gone into more detail, but this is part of what I was referring to by 'healthy competition'. Arguing for completing removing regulation is indeed quite silly.

monocasa 8y ago

> Well, how do those monopolies stay in power? Typically, corrupt regulation such as what was removed here Well, and the natural monopoly of an upfront capital intensive venture that might not pay for itself if you only get 50% of the market...

p1necone 8y ago

Fwiw I live in a country with no net neutrality laws but reasonably healthy competition between ISPs (New Zealand) and it seems to work out alright. I feel like the right order of operations if you did believe in deregulation and encouraging competition would be to ensure there was competition between ISPs and then remove the net neutrality laws though, not the other way around. I still think internet access should be treated similarly to water/power etc though.

geomark 8y ago
My anecdote is similar, re healthy competition. It's even less regulated here in Thailand, which is good for competition and consumers, but does lead to messes like this https://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/dcx/2016/06/30/1849761_620x413.jpg https://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/dcx/2016/06/30/184... where a dozen or more telecommunication providers each hang their own cabling. The posts actually collapse sometimes due to the weight of the cabling.
- sambull 8y ago
  And that's the regulation that makes last mile impossible.
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mr_toad 8y ago
In New Zealand all the copper and fibre is owned by a regulated wholesale monopoly, that isn’t legally allowed to sell directly to consumers. ISPs buy access at regulated prices. Net neutrality, with respect to content, isn’t really an issue, since 99.9% of content is made overseas.
phire 8y ago
> I live in a country with no net neutrality laws but reasonably healthy competition between ISPs (New Zealand) and it seems to work out alright. New Zealand doesn't need net neutrality, because it has something better. In the US, the ISP is one company that owns the lines and sells its services to customers. They also typically bundle cable tv packages. Many customers are serviced by only one or two ISPs. Setting up a competing ISPs requires laying new cable/fiber. In New Zealand, the ISPs and the companies which own the lines are different companies (as enforced by regulations). ComCom also regulates the price that the line company can charge the ISP. This makes setting up a competing ISP easy. Buy some capacity on international fiber links, set up some routing equipment in a peering exchange and contract Chorus/Enable to hook up your customers. Incidentally, this is how power companies work in NZ too. There have been quite a few new retail power competitors launched over the last 10 years.
- rory096 8y ago
  This is known as local loop unbundling and is mandated by the FCC... for phone service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling
- p1necone 8y ago
  I probably should have gone into more detail, but this is part of what I was referring to by 'healthy competition'. Arguing for completing removing regulation is indeed quite silly.